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Guthrie · #1 09-13-2005, 06:31 PM

No reads other than UTG+1 plays every hand and folds nearly every flop to a bet or raise.

I was planning on raising preflop with one limper, but decided to just call after another one came along.

Do I take a free card on the turn, or bet out?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero ?

Redd · #2 09-13-2005, 06:34 PM

Take the free card. On this board there's a good chance he'll have a reason to draw on the turn, and IMO the pot isn't big enough to justify the times he calls you down.

bozlax · #3 09-13-2005, 06:36 PM

I'm ok with the preflop limp...if it was soooted, you'd raise, right? Or if the king was an ace?

Why'd you raise on the flop? You're facing the field with 2 cold, and you want them in there to pad for you. You only want to raise if there's been a bet and a couple of calls, first. Now you're HU, with no hand, in a relatively small pot. Bet, but be ready to fold to the c/r.

Redd · #4 09-13-2005, 06:46 PM

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I'm ok with the preflop limp...if it was soooted, you'd raise, right? Or if the king was an ace?

Why'd you raise on the flop? You're facing the field with 2 cold, and you want them in there to pad for you. You only want to raise if there's been a bet and a couple of calls, first. Now you're HU, with no hand, in a relatively small pot. Bet, but be ready to fold to the c/r.

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I actually don't mind a flop raise to clean up our J outs. Or for the free card we're debating.

tyler_cracker · #5 09-13-2005, 07:16 PM

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I actually don't mind a flop raise to clean up our J outs. Or for the free card we're debating.

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Clearly a case of too much ether. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If MP3 is betting with a Q here (which is certainly plausible), our J outs aren't looking so good and aren't getting any cleaner.

Redd · #6 09-13-2005, 08:57 PM

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I actually don't mind a flop raise to clean up our J outs. Or for the free card we're debating.

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Clearly a case of too much ether. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yeah my fingers type this nonsense and I'm completely conscious of what my body is doing while I make no sense! I blame the adrenichrome.

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If MP3 is betting with a Q here (which is certainly plausible), our J outs aren't looking so good and aren't getting any cleaner.

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What I was trying to say was that I don't want someone hanging around with a gutshot and ruining my pair outs/catching a redraw and splitting the pot with me. At first glance it looked like we could make our straight and a one-card gutshot could make theirs, but that's pretty unlikely so it's not that big of a deal given the pot size. I'd still raise though.

milesdyson · #7 09-13-2005, 06:36 PM

raise this preflop, and yeah, take the free turn card.

edit: boz, hero isn't folding this turn.

bozlax · #8 09-13-2005, 06:43 PM

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raise this preflop, and yeah, take the free turn card.

edit: boz, hero isn't folding this turn.

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Meh. I s'pose you're right...my mind was fogged by the flop raise.

I guess what I should have said was you can bet this turn with a read that Villan might fold and as long as you're willing to pay 2 to see the river.

2+2 wannabe · #9 09-14-2005, 01:57 AM

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raise this preflop, and yeah, take the free turn card.

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you're seriously raising this preflop?

milesdyson · #10 09-14-2005, 02:09 AM

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raise this preflop, and yeah, take the free turn card.

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you're seriously raising this preflop?

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yeah. i want the button, and i want this to be 3-4 handed. i'm also very comfortable with this hand's pure strength compared to both limpers' ranges (especially since the poster said the first limper plays practically any two).