Married to AA?

Taxmanrick · #1 09-11-2005, 10:39 PM

Need some help. I think I was tilting here. The session was not going well early. Then i get Rockets! No reads, since I really only sat down about 15 hands ago.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, Button raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, Button caps, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (16.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, Button raises, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (24.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 26.25 BB

numeri · #2 09-11-2005, 10:42 PM

What's with the flop check?

Taxmanrick · #3 09-11-2005, 10:47 PM

Was trying to c/r, and did but it was actually a 3-bet.

numeri · #4 09-11-2005, 10:48 PM

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Was trying to c/r, and did but it was actually a 3-bet.

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C/R whom?

Taxmanrick · #5 09-11-2005, 10:52 PM

For some reason I got spooked by the fact that I had so many players. I felt like I wanted to thin the field because the pot was so big. I guess looking back, I should have been exstatic! But I wasn't.

numeri · #6 09-11-2005, 10:59 PM

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For some reason I got spooked by the fact that I had so many players. I felt like I wanted to thin the field because the pot was so big. I guess looking back, I should have been exstatic! But I wasn't.

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No sweat - I totally know the feeling. When you've been losing, seeing this many players go to the flop gives you a sense of dread. I've definitely been there. And then you start making plays like this! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

When you're thinking protection, you need to have two thoughts:
1. What am I protecting from?
2. How can I best offer poor odds to those hands?

For 1, you obviously have to protect vs. a flush draw here. Fortunately, if a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] comes on the turn, you have a redraw.

When you get to 2, though, the answer is - you can't. With a pot this big, no matter what you do, you're giving good odds.

When you realize that, you see that you just have to bet for value. You won't win the hand every time. You won't even win it a majority of the time. But you'll win much more than 20% (your share of the pot with 5 players).

#7 09-11-2005, 11:09 PM

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For some reason I got spooked by the fact that I had so many players. I felt like I wanted to thin the field because the pot was so big. I guess looking back, I should have been exstatic! But I wasn't.

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In big pots you sometimes have to think about thinning the field, but this is defintitely not one of them. 1) You are giving up way too much value if this gets checked through. You just lost 4SB if it checks through. 2) If the flop gets checked through you just gave everyone a free card to draw out on you which is a DISASTER. 3) A checkraise does not even protect your hand here. *IF* someone bets to your left, the rest of the field is going to be trapped between you and him, so you're not going to knock anyone out. 4) Even if you could face someone with 2 bets, there really aren't any hands that you're worried about that are going to fold.

VoraciousReader · #8 09-11-2005, 10:50 PM

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Was trying to c/r, and did but it was actually a 3-bet.

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I guess I don't get the reason to check-raise here. You were the last bettor pre-flop, and the other pfr has already checked this round. You don't know where your bet is coming from and have an overpair. I think this is a definite bet out.

Rev. Good Will · #9 09-11-2005, 10:42 PM

why no flop bet?

NateDog · #10 09-11-2005, 10:43 PM

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