AKo improves on river....raise?

QTip · #1 09-09-2005, 11:30 AM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets

villain is loose and semi-aggressive

I didn't see much of a reason to raise this flop.

I raise this turn a lot here as the last bet going in pot UI; however, I thought I would show this hand down and didn't feel like putting more in than I had to.

When the ace hits and he bets, I always think...."hhmmm...he doesn't care."

How many raise here?

Anyone play the hand different in general?

A_C_Slater · #2 09-09-2005, 11:37 AM

I would raise.

paperboyNC · #3 09-09-2005, 11:39 AM

I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

Probably the reason why he doesn't care about the river is that he's on a pure bluff. He might pay you off with ace high, but I'd just call the river.

A_C_Slater · #4 09-09-2005, 11:44 AM

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I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

Probably the reason why he doesn't care about the river is that he's on a pure bluff. He might pay you off with ace high, but I'd just call the river.

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I also fold the turn in these situations. You're getting 6.5 to 1 on a 6.6 to 1 shot. Sure your hand might be best, but are you going to call the river UI with AK high?

QTip · #5 09-09-2005, 11:47 AM

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I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

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That's folding the best hand against a laggy player way too often. There are also times when he'll just check the river too...not many, but it needs to be considered.

Octopus · #6 09-09-2005, 02:19 PM

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I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

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That's folding the best hand against a laggy player way too often. There are also times when he'll just check the river too...not many, but it needs to be considered.

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Amen. If the probability that he is behind now, will still be behind on the river, and will check in that case is even 2.5%, that is worth about a full out here. I'd say that the probability is at least that high.

Emmitt2222 · #7 09-09-2005, 11:18 PM

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I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

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That's folding the best hand against a laggy player way too often. There are also times when he'll just check the river too...not many, but it needs to be considered.

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villian is loose and semiaggresive

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I dont understand how all of this is adding up. You aren't being consistant with your read. Going from semiaggro to LAG to checking the river like a passive player? I think I need a slightly better description here. Anyway, against your original read I think you should be folding the turn also because semiaggro does not equal LAG and most people are not betting into me on that flop with nothing because it is a very drawless board and there are also two other people in there. Not getting the odds I fold the turn. On the river I would say that I call because I really want to showdown and I dont want him to get tricky, raising and calling a 3bet is not good here IMO, either that or raise and fold to a 3bet. This pot just isn't big enough to be doing stuff like that.

thejameser · #8 09-09-2005, 11:41 AM

count me in for a raise. i don't think its a "he doesn't care" scenario as much as a "hoping his 9 or PP is still good" scenario. if the flush was not bd i would maybe just call if he is the type to bet his draws.

QTip · #9 09-09-2005, 11:59 AM

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if the flush was not bd i would maybe just call if he is the type to bet his draws.

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Those are my thoughts.

Now...how do you feel about a 3 bet response?

SeaEagle · #10 09-09-2005, 11:45 AM

Either fold the turn or raise the river - if you aren't planning on the raising when you hit, then you don't have sufficient odds to call the turn.