Changes in Pokerroom PP earn rate and bonus clearing rate.

[fluff]

This was announced on their website.

I didn't work out the math, but it seems like the bonus will clear slightly faster at levels where you are raked consistently at $2. Everywhere else it's going to suck just as bad, or worse.

Change of Player Points structure (Sep. 05, 2005)
On Wednesday, September 7, 9 AM ET the Player Points structure will change! The new structure will look like this:

Rake Player Points
<$0.05 0.00
$0.05-$0.09 0.05
$0.10-$0.14 0.10
$0.15-$0.19 0.15
$0.20-$0.24 0.20
$0.25-$0.49 0.25
$0.50-$0.99 0.50
$1.00-$1.99 1.00
$2.00 and above 2.00


At the same time all new and current bonus tasks will be converted according to the following schedule:

Old clearing rate New clearing rate
4 PP/$ 6 PP/$
5 PP/$ 8 PP/$
6 PP/$ 10 PP/$
7 PP/$ 12 PP/$
8 PP/$ 13 PP/$
9 PP/$ 15 PP/$
10 PP/$ 16 PP/$
11 PP/$ 18 PP/$
12 PP/$ 20 PP/$
13 PP/$ 21 PP/$
14 PP/$ 23 PP/$
15 PP/$ 25 PP/$

[Benholio]

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This was announced on their website.

I didn't work out the math, but it seems like the bonus will clear slightly faster at levels where you are raked consistently at $2. Everywhere else it's going to suck just as bad, or worse.

Change of Player Points structure (Sep. 05, 2005)
On Wednesday, September 7, 9 AM ET the Player Points structure will change! The new structure will look like this:

Rake Player Points
<$0.05 0.00
$0.05-$0.09 0.05
$0.10-$0.14 0.10
$0.15-$0.19 0.15
$0.20-$0.24 0.20
$0.25-$0.49 0.25
$0.50-$0.99 0.50
$1.00-$1.99 1.00
$2.00 and above 2.00



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Hey, nice correction, giving back partial points for the pots raked < .50! Kudos for the quick correction!

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At the same time all new and current bonus tasks will be converted according to the following schedule:

Old clearing rate New clearing rate
4 PP/$ 6 PP/$
5 PP/$ 8 PP/$
6 PP/$ 10 PP/$
7 PP/$ 12 PP/$
8 PP/$ 13 PP/$
9 PP/$ 15 PP/$
10 PP/$ 16 PP/$
11 PP/$ 18 PP/$
12 PP/$ 20 PP/$
13 PP/$ 21 PP/$
14 PP/$ 23 PP/$
15 PP/$ 25 PP/$

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Lol, nevermind! Hopefully we will be very wrong about this, but I'm having a hard time imagining the .05 raked -> .40 raked hands are going to make up for a 50%-and up increase in clearing requirements.

Actually, I can do some work for a few minutes and see how this changes in a 500 hand sample or so (for $1 NL anyway)..

Be right back..

[Benholio]

Hey, my analysis is off to a great start, I am seeing hands at the .50-1 NL level being raked for $3. The confusing new rake chart states that the biggest pots should be raked 2 BB at this level. 2 BB = $2. It states in the lobby that $2 maximum is taken from rake. However, I have several hands from today (within the last 2 hours) that were raked $3. Pokerroom.com guy, can you address this?

[Freudian]

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Hey, my analysis is off to a great start, I am seeing hands at the .50-1 NL level being raked for $3. The confusing new rake chart states that the biggest pots should be raked 2 BB at this level. 2 BB = $2. It states in the lobby that $2 maximum is taken from rake. However, I have several hands from today (within the last 2 hours) that were raked $3. Pokerroom.com guy, can you address this?

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Surely you can't expect their extensive analysis to catch something like this?

[Benholio]

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Hey, my analysis is off to a great start, I am seeing hands at the .50-1 NL level being raked for $3. The confusing new rake chart states that the biggest pots should be raked 2 BB at this level. 2 BB = $2. It states in the lobby that $2 maximum is taken from rake. However, I have several hands from today (within the last 2 hours) that were raked $3. Pokerroom.com guy, can you address this?

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Surely you can't expect their extensive analysis to catch something like this?

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/nod, I was defending their willingness to look at these changes a second time, but I am starting to lose faith.

[Uglyowl]

Just saw a $51 pot on $.50/$.50 NL hold'em and there was only $1 rake, seems to agree with the rake table of 2BigBlinds or $3max.

[Benholio]

For .5/1 NL, the new system seems to be either a slight increase, or a slight decrease in bonus clearing speed, depending on the terms for the bonus. Maybe the differences are more pronounced at limit, because if not, it seems like a whole lot of things to change to make such a small difference.

Here are my stats for my 804 hand sample from tonight:

92 hands raked for .10
246 hands raked for .40
226 hands raked for 1.00
138 hands raked for 2.00 or more (7 hands raked above $2, the supposed limit!)

Points under old system: 364
Points under new system: 609.9

Old value for 7x bonus: $52
New value for 7x bonus: $50.8

Old value for 10x bonus: $36.40
New value for 10x bonus: $38.10


P.S. I'm still anxious to hear an explanation for having 7 pots raked for more then $2 tonight, at a table that clearly states a $2 maximum rake.

[PokerRoom.com]

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For .5/1 NL, the new system seems to be either a slight increase, or a slight decrease in bonus clearing speed, depending on the terms for the bonus. Maybe the differences are more pronounced at limit, because if not, it seems like a whole lot of things to change to make such a small difference.

Here are my stats for my 804 hand sample from tonight:

92 hands raked for .10
246 hands raked for .40
226 hands raked for 1.00
138 hands raked for 2.00 or more (7 hands raked above $2, the supposed limit!)

Points under old system: 364
Points under new system: 609.9

Old value for 7x bonus: $52
New value for 7x bonus: $50.8

Old value for 10x bonus: $36.40
New value for 10x bonus: $38.10


P.S. I'm still anxious to hear an explanation for having 7 pots raked for more then $2 tonight, at a table that clearly states a $2 maximum rake.

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Hi,

The new system should put the speed of clearance back to where it was before the rake change or even up the speed a little.

Regarding the supposedly over-raked hands you can either contact support or dig up som hand-history numbers and we'll get right on it.

Put them in this thread or PM the PokerRoom.com account here at 2+2 and I'll personally look it up.


PokerRoom.com
Meet Them and Beat Them

[Benholio]

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Hi,

The new system should put the speed of clearance back to where it was before the rake change or even up the speed a little.

Regarding the supposedly over-raked hands you can either contact support or dig up som hand-history numbers and we'll get right on it.

Put them in this thread or PM the PokerRoom.com account here at 2+2 and I'll personally look it up.


PokerRoom.com
Meet Them and Beat Them

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Thanks for replying,

I have 80 hands since Sept 1st raked over $2. Interestingly enough, they are 2.10, 2.40, or 3. Weird numbers indicating maybe some sort of rollover is happening, and the .10/.40/$1 levels are being added on top of a $2 capped pot? Here are a few:

$3
1227145690
1233246425
1232929731
1226912148
1227159209
1227191109
1235371433
1225913657

$2.40
1239601852
1227217694
1233117208
1225699737
1225683369

$2.10
1230359910
1225728385
1226599925
1226788157
1227532333

[M Tal]

when he said they would "fix" the bonus clearing
rate somehow this wasnt what I expected.
so now you must clear 12 points for every $1 bonus instead of 7?

Pokerroom WTF?

Oh well if they are taking more than the maximim rake
then maybe that will make it clear faster.