Was I dumb for even considering laying this down?

[Karak567]

The thought crossed my mind and I slapped myself. I am not being results oriented but I wanted a second opinion.

PokerStars Game #2509427007: Tournament #12088603, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/05 - 23:58:58 (ET)
Table '12088603 113' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: erb4321 (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr. Benjamin (2150 in chips)
Seat 3: V_119 (2475 in chips)
Seat 4: quasy34 (3150 in chips)
Seat 5: DinoOss (1025 in chips)
Seat 6: WorldchamAs (3700 in chips)
Seat 7: chinitakorn (1830 in chips)
Seat 8: kruup (1350 in chips)
Seat 9: Kjellson (2905 in chips)
Mr. Benjamin: posts small blind 15
V_119: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to erb4321 [8c 6c]
quasy34: folds
DinoOss: calls 30
WorldchamAs: calls 30
chinitakorn: folds
kruup: calls 30
Kjellson: calls 30
erb4321: calls 30
Mr. Benjamin: calls 15
V_119: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Ah Tc]
Mr. Benjamin: bets 60
V_119: folds
DinoOss: folds
WorldchamAs: calls 60
kruup: calls 60
Kjellson: calls 60
erb4321: calls 60
*** TURN *** [4c Ah Tc] [Qh]
Mr. Benjamin: bets 30
WorldchamAs: calls 30
kruup: calls 30
Kjellson: calls 30
erb4321: calls 30
*** RIVER *** [4c Ah Tc Qh] [7c]
Mr. Benjamin: bets 210
WorldchamAs: calls 210
kruup: folds
Kjellson: raises 450 to 660
erb4321: raises 700 to 1360 and is all-in

[sirio11]

With all that action in the river, considering folding is not dumb IMHO

[Karak567]

So you guys think I should fold this river?

You are very likely to be 2nd best here.

[jcm4ccc]

Very good chance that you are second best. Still, independent of that, I think your raise on the river was pretty bad.

The point of raising on the river is to either:
<ul type="square">[*]Get better hands to fold, or[*]Get worse hands to call you[/list]
Neither of which will happen here. Someone who has a better flush is unlikely to fold this. Someone who has worse than a flush will not call this, given the 3 clubs on the board and the action. If you are going to play this hand, it would be better just to call it, since by raising you are reopening the betting for Kjellson, who is the person most likely to have the higher flush.

[beetyjoose]

I would have a hard time getting away from this hand, but I think I would have just called the river bet. You said yourself you were thinking about folding. Obviuously you had some doubts in your mind about this hand. So I think just calling would have been best.

I would just call on the end.. taking a page from Barry G, that might be a zero play.. aka the only hand that can call you is a hand that will beat you. You still have a flush though, so calling is a good option

[durron597]

Just call on the end, you may be best and you might get an overcall from a straight or 2 pair.