every option seems bad here

[rybones]

what would you do? This is a 33. I only have 13 bb, I am in ep, I am not a short stack, it is still 8 handed. A Call is begging for a push that I cannot call (or can I ... I know depends on the stack). I can't raise without pushing and this hand and position seem too weak for that, and folding a pair seems weak?

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: tpc23 (1520)
Seat 2: hero (1385)
Seat 3: montybear (595)
Seat 4: MARKGM (295)
Seat 5: BIRDDOG279 (655)
Seat 6: neilwashere (930)
Seat 9: ohyouknow12 (595)
Seat 10: timetogonow (2025)
timetogonow posts small blind (50)
tpc23 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 7s, 7d ]

[brimstone1]

fold.

[KingMedicine]

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fold.

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i think this is horrible.
he has plenty of chips to try to see a flop for 100 or 200.
the most he is gonna lose without seeing a flop is 100 if he limps, which he can certainly afford to do.

[Jackarama_]

bin em , esp if your not willing to call a re raise or commit all your stack, i know i wouldnt do it with 77 from that position.

[KingMedicine]

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what would you do? This is a 33. I only have 13 bb, I am in ep, I am not a short stack, it is still 8 handed. A Call is begging for a push that I cannot call (or can I ... I know depends on the stack). I can't raise without pushing and this hand and position seem too weak for that, and folding a pair seems weak?

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: tpc23 (1520)
Seat 2: hero (1385)
Seat 3: montybear (595)
Seat 4: MARKGM (295)
Seat 5: BIRDDOG279 (655)
Seat 6: neilwashere (930)
Seat 9: ohyouknow12 (595)
Seat 10: timetogonow (2025)
timetogonow posts small blind (50)
tpc23 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ 7s, 7d ]

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limp and try to see a flop for set value. you have plenty of chips to dump this if raised more than a min-raise. call a min-raise for set value as well.

definitely NOT a push (for 150 chips) and there is no sense in raising it yourself since youre not value betting it, your trying to flop a set.

limp. call min-raise if you need to and fold to any raise more than a min-raise.

[rybones]

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limp and try to see a flop for set value. you have plenty of chips to dump this if raised more than a min-raise. call a min-raise for set value as well.

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let me get this straight, I should be willing to risk 1/6 (approx) of my stack on set value? However, I shouldn't call more than a min raise?

I gotta tell ya this sounds like a bad plan to me. I need more proof. Right now I am in good chip position. Blinds are going to really put presure on those with t600 or less to move soon. If I fold to someone with T600 who pushes (assuming all else fold), they gain my 200+150 from the blinds. Their stack is now t950 which is nearly equal to mine. Plus I am begging a big stack to push.

Ryan

[ReDeYES88]

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limp and try to see a flop for set value. you have plenty of chips to dump this if raised more than a min-raise. call a min-raise for set value as well.

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how often do you think that you will be able to cheaply see a flop as you suggest, even after calling a min raise?

note: [ QUOTE ]
small blind (50), big blind (100)

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...and...
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Seat 3: montybear (595)
Seat 4: MARKGM (295)
Seat 5: BIRDDOG279 (655)
Seat 9: ohyouknow12 (595)

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...and...

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 10: timetogonow (2025)
Seat 1: tpc23 (1520)

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sitting to your right.

I think most of the time you are going to see a preflop raise that is more than a minraise.

[inyaface]

I've limped hands like this and I've folded hands like this...folding usually works out better

[KingMedicine]

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limp and try to see a flop for set value. you have plenty of chips to dump this if raised more than a min-raise. call a min-raise for set value as well.

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how often do you think that you will be able to cheaply see a flop as you suggest, even after calling a min raise?

note: [ QUOTE ]
small blind (50), big blind (100)

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...and...
[ QUOTE ]
Seat 3: montybear (595)
Seat 4: MARKGM (295)
Seat 5: BIRDDOG279 (655)
Seat 9: ohyouknow12 (595)

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...and...

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Seat 10: timetogonow (2025)
Seat 1: tpc23 (1520)

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sitting to your right.

I think most of the time you are going to see a preflop raise that is more than a minraise.

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i think youll see a flop about 1/4 of the time - sometimes for 100, sometimes for 200. if the 295 stack pushes and its folded around to you, thats an easy call.

some of the time people will be suspicious of the UTG limp and not want to raise you in fear that the UTG limp = AA or KK waiting on a raise so he can push.

also, sometimes youll get a "limp train" going where you limp and then a couple others limp and you see a flop for 100 with 5 people in the hand, which is the absolute ideal situation for your set-value hand.

the thing is, besides the times the 295 stack pushes, the absolute MOST you can lose in this hand is 200, and that's if someone min-raises. and unless something like 568 flops, the only time youre putting more chips into the pot is if you hit your set, and in that case, you're likely stacking someone.

i seem to be the only one in this thread who plays this hand that way, so maybe i should think about this move some more, but i think i like the limp move still.

i would really like to hear more on this topic b/c i certainly might be spewing chips here.

others?

[ReDeYES88]

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i think youll see a flop about 1/4 of the time - sometimes for 100, sometimes for 200

[/ QUOTE ] ...or maybe less

...and your odds of hitting a set when you do get to see a flop are what? About 11%? So you want a 25% chance at making an 8.28:1 bet? Do you know how many chips would have to be available for this bet to be correct?