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#1
09-05-2005, 11:43 AM
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Raise with a 4 flush?
Should I have raised on the flop with a 4 flush and top pair?
Any other comments welcome also. Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (12 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds. Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls. River: (16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, UTG calls. Final Pot: 19 BB 
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#2
09-05-2005, 12:15 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
First, I'd fold this pre-flop.
Second, I'd raise it up on the flop. You want to give your queens the best chance of holding up if the flush doesn't come in.
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#4
09-05-2005, 12:22 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
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Why would you fold pre-flop? [/ QUOTE ] Because the UTG came in for a raise.
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#5
09-05-2005, 12:36 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
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Why would you fold pre-flop? [/ QUOTE ] You've got to be really careful about calling two cold pre-flop, especially when there are no other callers between you and the raiser. If the raiser is position aware at all, the earlier he raises, the better hand he's going to have. If you never cold-called like this (no one else in the pot yet), you couldn't be making a bad mistake ever. If you've got a good enough hand to play, you probably want to be 3-betting.
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#6
09-05-2005, 12:29 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
If you knew that player was so loose and you expected the 6 callers, then the limp is perfect. Always raise the flop. You have top pair and the flush draw. There are 4 players to act after you. If you make it 2 bets to them they are propably making a mistake by calling for their draws. And in theory, every time your opponents call without the correct pot odds, you are making money.
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#8
09-05-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
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Should I have raised on the flop with a 4 flush and top pair? [/ QUOTE ] Uh, yeah? Raise just because of top-pair-good-kicker, but definitely raise because you also have an outstanding draw in case you're beat. If SB has a 3 and you let him stay in, you've made a catastrophic error.
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#9
09-05-2005, 12:38 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
I think your call on the flop was good to get people to chase with you. You probably have the best hand, and if not, have plenty of outs.
However, I think that your preflop cold call is really bad without a very specific table read that everyone is going to play for the raise anyway.
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#10
09-05-2005, 12:44 PM
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Re: Raise with a 4 flush?
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I think your call on the flop was good to get people to chase with you. You probably have the best hand, and if not, have plenty of outs. [/ QUOTE ] IMO the flop call is terrible. Go ahead and give a gutshots and pairs the odds to draw out on you. And when they draw out on you call them fishes.
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