Bush dictatorship wins. Constitution is dead.

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US Congress votes to make Patriot Act permanent
By Bill Van Auken
1 August 2005
By “unanimous consent” the United States Senate moved last Friday to turn the bulk of the repressive legislation known as the USA Patriot Act into permanent law.

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Pentagon devising scenarios for martial law in US
By Patrick Martin
9 August 2005
According to a report published Monday by the Washington Post, the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

Graham adds: “when it comes to ground forces possibly taking a lead role in homeland operations, senior Northcom officers remain reluctant to discuss specifics. Keating said such situations, if they arise, probably would be temporary, with lead responsibility passing back to civilian authorities.”

A remarkable phrase: “probably would be temporary.” In other words, the military takeover might not be temporary, and could become permanent!

[LethalRose]

And whats bad about this? I'am not a bush fan but I think the patriot act is a good thing.

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And whats bad about this? I'am not a bush fan but I think the patriot act is a good thing.

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Well for one, its already been used (abused) beyond its original scope to get evidence in drug cases, etc., which have nothing to do with national security but gives law enforcement a chance to get around the law.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -- Benjamin Franklin

[LethalRose]

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And whats bad about this? I'am not a bush fan but I think the patriot act is a good thing.

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Well for one, its already been used (abused) beyond its original scope to get evidence in drug cases, etc., which have nothing to do with national security but gives law enforcement a chance to get around the law.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -- Benjamin Franklin

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ben franklin doesnt live in our time.

Also, i dont see any problem with law enforcement going around the lay to catch drug dealers. I have nothing to hide nor do I participate in illegial activities so they can go crazy for all i care.

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And whats bad about this? I'am not a bush fan but I think the patriot act is a good thing.

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Well for one, its already been used (abused) beyond its original scope to get evidence in drug cases, etc., which have nothing to do with national security but gives law enforcement a chance to get around the law.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -- Benjamin Franklin

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ben franklin doesnt live in our time.

Also, i dont see any problem with law enforcement going around the lay to catch drug dealers. I have nothing to hide nor do I participate in illegial activities so they can go crazy for all i care.

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Yeah...so I guess, by your logic...we shouldn't follow the Constitution since it wasn't written in our time. There's no way that something two hundred years old could still be relevant, could it?

But, since you seem to be ignorant to the problems of an unchecked government, here's another quote for you:

"When they came for the communists, I said nothing
When they came for the gypsies, I said nothing -
When they came for the Jews, I said nothing -
When they came for me, there was no-one left to say anything."
--Martin Niemoller

[Stu Pidasso]

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Yeah...so I guess, by your logic...we shouldn't follow the Constitution since it wasn't written in our time. There's no way that something two hundred years old could still be relevant, could it?

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The constitution stopped being relavent a long time ago, we just pretend it still is becuase it makes us feel better.

Stu

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Another American who knows (and cares) nothing about freedom and liberty, the bedrock of a free society. 'Tis a sad state.

[wmspringer]

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And whats bad about this? I'am not a bush fan but I think the patriot act is a good thing.

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Well for one, its already been used (abused) beyond its original scope to get evidence in drug cases, etc., which have nothing to do with national security but gives law enforcement a chance to get around the law.


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Also, i dont see any problem with law enforcement going around the lay to catch drug dealers. I have nothing to hide nor do I participate in illegial activities so they can go crazy for all i care.

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Will you feel the same way when they plant drugs on your property and send you to prison without a trial?

I think using illegal drugs is idiotic, but there's a reason that those protections are in place.

[FishHooks]

You do realize laws are reviewed by the supreme court and they decide if its unconstitutional or notm sofar this one has stood.

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You do realize laws are reviewed by the supreme court and they decide if its unconstitutional or notm sofar this one has stood.

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Fishooks,

I have a standing challenge to anyone in this forum to cite me a specific article of the Patrtiot Act they feel is either a) an unprecedented extension of gov't power , b) has personally affected their personal freedome, or c) has been abused in some fashion. The best response Ive gotten yet is a link to a page of ACLU talking points. Its a perfect example of people mouthing platitudes about personal liberty and civil rights abuses without real knowledge of laws/regulations in question.