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Old 08-29-2005, 05:14 PM
Aces McGee Aces McGee is offline
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Default Kicker counterfeited, then un-counterfeited

Party 3/6

I raise AcJs UTG+1. Only unknown MP calls.
Flop is AhQh2s. I bet, he calls.
Turn is the 2c. I bet, he calls.
River Qc. I...

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Old 08-29-2005, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Kicker counterfeited, then un-counterfeited

bet and fold to a raise. I like your concise post.
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Old 08-29-2005, 05:51 PM
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bet and fold to a raise. I like your concise post.

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At 3/6? Bet/call. I wouldn't fold for a single bet.... and if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.
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Old 08-29-2005, 05:59 PM
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bet and fold to a raise. I like your concise post.

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At 3/6? Bet/call. I wouldn't fold for a single bet.... and if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I think a river bluff raise is less likely at 3/6 and thus I would be more comfortable folding to a raise. Just because I'm advocating folding for a single bet doesn't mean c/c'ing is equivalent as hero is losing a ton of value the times villian checks behind with Ax or a pp and we miss a value bet.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:50 AM
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bet and fold to a raise. I like your concise post.

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At 3/6? Bet/call. I wouldn't fold for a single bet.... and if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I think a river bluff raise is less likely at 3/6 and thus I would be more comfortable folding to a raise. Just because I'm advocating folding for a single bet doesn't mean c/c'ing is equivalent as hero is losing a ton of value the times villian checks behind with Ax or a pp and we miss a value bet.

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Bet/fold would be terrible, here, IMO. If you're Villan and you stayed in preflop with A7s, you wouldn't EVER raise on this river?

I hate bet/fold on the river. Yes, checking might lose you some value, but betting and folding to a raise costs you an entire pot and gets you nothing.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:40 AM
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if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I disagree. Check-calling here really sucks.
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Old 08-30-2005, 05:04 PM
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if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I disagree. Check-calling here really sucks.

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Absolutely right. Check/calling sucks here. So does a bet/fold.
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Old 08-30-2005, 05:23 PM
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if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I disagree. Check-calling here really sucks.

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Absolutely right. Check/calling sucks here. So does a bet/fold.

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I agree now that a bet/fold does suck.
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Old 08-30-2005, 06:31 PM
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if you would fold to a single bet, you might as well check/call.

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I disagree. Check-calling here really sucks.

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I like the check-call. He could have a passivly played ace, but a busted flush draw (maybe missed broadway gutshot) is very possible since all he has done is call. Those hands can't pay you off if you bet and might well bluff. If he has an ace, there is a chance he will bet for you anyway thinking that your check means you have KK or somesuch.
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Old 08-29-2005, 05:55 PM
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I also wouldn't fold this to a raise, but you have to bet here. He will probably call you with a mid pocket pair and an Ace lower kick.
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