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Old 08-28-2005, 09:48 AM
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I've been playing limit Holdem at 1/2 & 2/4 for a few months now with limited success (1.9BB/100). I started playing two tables at once a week ago and I noticed that:
1. My pre-flop play was tighter
2. I was more willing to fold
3. I virtually never bluffed anymore
4. My winnings so far seem to be the same as usual.
My question is - how successful can poker player be playing tight-agressive-sensible but NEVER BLUFFING?! What would happen?<font color="green"> </font>
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:11 AM
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My question is - how successful can poker player be playing tight-agressive-sensible but NEVER BLUFFING?!

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You would only be tight, not aggressive. Vegas is full of retired rocks that rarely bluff. Most of them make a small supplemental income so if that is your definition of success go for it.
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: If you never bluffed...

In theory, you cannot win at Poker without bluffing. That assumes that people figure out you never bluff, and thus only call or raise you when they have hands better than the average hand you bet with.

In practice, it's perfectly reasonable not to bluff as long as people are giving you the calls you need to make a profit. When that changes, you can loosen up (not bluff, just play moderate hands) and steal a lot of blinds and small pots. When people start calling again, you can consider either bluffing or going back to tight. As long as people are slow to react, they're always playing you wrong, and you can win. In on-line play people may never catch on.

There's no law that says you have to bluff. You only do it if it makes you money.
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:08 AM
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I think you need to take the limit your playing at into account. I play 3/6 live and rarely if ever bluff because it rarely if ever works. There is no reason to bluff as long as you are against opponents who will call your strong hands.
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:10 AM
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I think you need to take the limit your playing at into account. I play 3/6 live and rarely if ever bluff because it rarely if ever works. There is no reason to bluff as long as you are against opponents who will call your strong hands.

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So you are saying if you flopped an open-ended straight flush draw and were last to act you wouldn't bet? Odd if you ask me.
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Old 08-28-2005, 12:05 PM
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I think you need to take the limit your playing at into account. I play 3/6 live and rarely if ever bluff because it rarely if ever works. There is no reason to bluff as long as you are against opponents who will call your strong hands.

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So you are saying if you flopped an open-ended straight flush draw and were last to act you wouldn't bet? Odd if you ask me.

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That's not bluffing. That's betting with the best hand.
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:22 PM
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I think you need to take the limit your playing at into account. I play 3/6 live and rarely if ever bluff because it rarely if ever works. There is no reason to bluff as long as you are against opponents who will call your strong hands.

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So you are saying if you flopped an open-ended straight flush draw and were last to act you wouldn't bet? Odd if you ask me.

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That's not bluffing. That's betting with the best hand.

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Let me see if I understand you: The flop is 2 5 6 with two diamonds and you have the 3 4 of diamonds and you think you would be betting with the best hand? Where do you play?

The best draw perhaps, the best hand ? I don't think so!!!!!! Are you from Australia? You know where they redefine words to suit their own needs.
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: If you never bluffed...

I would be 100% certain I have the best hand at this point. Do you see why?
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: If you never bluffed...

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I think you need to take the limit your playing at into account. I play 3/6 live and rarely if ever bluff because it rarely if ever works. There is no reason to bluff as long as you are against opponents who will call your strong hands.

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So you are saying if you flopped an open-ended straight flush draw and were last to act you wouldn't bet? Odd if you ask me.

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That's not bluffing. That's betting with the best hand.

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Let me see if I understand you: The flop is 2 5 6 with two diamonds and you have the 3 4 of diamonds and you think you would be betting with the best hand? Where do you play?

The best draw perhaps, the best hand ? I don't think so!!!!!! Are you from Australia? You know where they redefine words to suit their own needs.

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I don't understand what the argument is about here. With an OESF draw against a typical range of hands, you are, quite simply, a favorite to win the hand...therefore it's a value bet, not a bluff.
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Old 08-29-2005, 01:21 AM
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The flop is 2 5 6 with two diamonds and you have the 3 4 of diamonds and you think you would be betting with the best hand? Where do you play?

The best draw perhaps, the best hand ?

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You may want to reread what you typed. When I flop a nut str8 and have 2 outs taken against a flush redraw, I assume I have the best hand, don't you? You play somewhere where you don't have the best hand at this point?

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