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A terrible fold?
Seat 1: Villain 1 - aggressive and unimaginative $80 in chips)
Seat 3: me ($157 in chips) Seat 7: donkey ($28.25 in chips) Seat 8: Burdzthewurd ($80.75 in chips) Seat 9: Villain 2 weak tight player ($59 in chips) I have Qh Qd Kc 9c ANTES/BLINDS Villain 1 posts blind ($0.50). PRE-FLOP I call $0.50, donkey calls $0.50, Burdzthewurd folds, villain 2 calls $0.50, Villain 1 checks. FLOP [board cards 8D,QC,JC ] Villain 1 bets $2, I call $2, donkey folds, weak tight bets $6, Villain 1 bets $20, I fold, weak tigh folds. I knew that I would be getting all in if I played no matter what fell, I knew I was up against a straight with a flush draw, I knew the weak tight player had two pair and that he would fold, I thought my flush draw was covered by Villain 1. So, I figured that I had many fewer outs than it would appear. But, my flush outs may have been live, and the weak-tight player here may be folding the A high draw. I folded more out of indecision/time crunch than anything. Terrible fold? |
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Re: A terrible fold?
yeah it's a bad fold. 7/10 to a boat, a couple straight outs that might chop or even win if it's bare T9 and a possibly live flush draw, at worst a gutshot SF
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Re: A terrible fold?
A set and a flush draw is a favorite on the flop against a made straight. If they both have straights you are in great shape.
I would tend to raise/reraise with this hand. It plays well heads up and multi-way. |
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Re: A terrible fold?
I would definately put a reraise in when it got to me
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Re: A terrible fold?
Im a little surprised at the responses. If my read is correct, then I am investing a god part of a deep stack as a dog on the flop. If I blank the turn I'll be shoving in most of the rest when i am way behind....
pokenum -o ac tc 9h 7d - qh qd kc 9c -- 8d qc jc / qs 8s Omaha Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing Qc Jc 8d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ac Tc 7d 9h 452 61.00 289 39.00 0 0.00 0.610 Kc 9c Qd Qh 289 39.00 452 61.00 0 0.00 0.390 I just don't see based on the flop action how my K high flush draw can be any good here. If its good, I agree shoving is the play. But without it do I really want to go deep stacked all-in heads up on that board? |
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Re: A terrible fold?
[ QUOTE ]
Im a little surprised at the responses. If my read is correct, then I am investing a god part of a deep stack as a dog on the flop. If I blank the turn I'll be shoving in most of the rest when i am way behind.... pokenum -o ac tc 9h 7d - qh qd kc 9c -- 8d qc jc / qs 8s Omaha Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing Qc Jc 8d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ac Tc 7d 9h 452 61.00 289 39.00 0 0.00 0.610 Kc 9c Qd Qh 289 39.00 452 61.00 0 0.00 0.390 I just don't see based on the flop action how my K high flush draw can be any good here. If its good, I agree shoving is the play. But without it do I really want to go deep stacked all-in heads up on that board? [/ QUOTE ] you're putting the guy on the absolute worst hand for you he can have, essentially...except for top set/nut flush. IF he has it you can still suckout, otherwise you are favored. |
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Re: A terrible fold?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Im a little surprised at the responses. If my read is correct, then I am investing a god part of a deep stack as a dog on the flop. If I blank the turn I'll be shoving in most of the rest when i am way behind.... pokenum -o ac tc 9h 7d - qh qd kc 9c -- 8d qc jc / qs 8s Omaha Hi: 741 enumerated boards containing Qc Jc 8d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ac Tc 7d 9h 452 61.00 289 39.00 0 0.00 0.610 Kc 9c Qd Qh 289 39.00 452 61.00 0 0.00 0.390 I just don't see based on the flop action how my K high flush draw can be any good here. If its good, I agree shoving is the play. But without it do I really want to go deep stacked all-in heads up on that board? [/ QUOTE ] you're putting the guy on the absolute worst hand for you he can have, essentially...except for top set/nut flush. IF he has it you can still suckout, otherwise you are favored. [/ QUOTE ] Hard for opponent to have top set, unless there are suddenly 5 queens in the deck. |
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Re: A terrible fold?
Holy Hell man, I thought you just folded a bare T9!!
If Villain 1 was who I thought it was (guy on your direct right?), I'd still push it up there, he was overplaying a lot of hands like big pairs and bare straights. I'm pretty sure I remember him blowing off at least $50 in 10 minutes or so. I'd be fine with pushing your hand there, there's only one combination where are you in a terrible spot (AT97 Ax clubs). Wow. (BTW, nice one-outer I hit with the KKxx hand eh? Bamafool had AKQJ and the other guy I broke on the turn had AA with a gutshot on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) |
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Re: A terrible fold?
Yeah, you are probably right. It was a terrible fold. Shame on me.
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Re: A terrible fold?
Yes, terrible fold.
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