Player tells me to check it down, I am confused....

9cao · #1 08-25-2005, 12:58 PM

5-max game with 5/10 blinds. I am on the button with about $1700 and Villain has about the same in the CO. I haven't been at the table very long and don't recognize any names.

Villain makes it $30 and I call with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], and shortstack BB calls. Pot is $90.

Flop comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. BB moves all-in for $70, Villain calls, and I call. Pot is $300.

Turn is J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO checks. Now I am thinking I am probably ahead of BB and since CO has not protected the pot he must not have a big hand. If I get called I can also have as many as 20 outs.

So just as I am about to bet Villain types "Just check it down." Now ignoring the collusion aspects of this, in my experience it usually means that the person has a made, but not monster hand. What is your move?

Allinlife · #2 08-25-2005, 01:06 PM

eaasy bet 2/3 it will increase your chance to win the pot with 3rd player allin

tdarko · #3 08-25-2005, 01:20 PM

i bet.

if he has an overpair or a hand like AJ why would he want to just "check it down" and give his opponent a chance with later streets and a connected board?

cero_z · #4 08-25-2005, 01:59 PM

Hi tdarko (and Allinlife and 9cao),

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i bet.

if he has an overpair or a hand like AJ why would he want to just "check it down" and give his opponent a chance with later streets and a connected board?

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You guys are really ready to accept that he does want you to check? I doubt it. I think he's trying to lure a bet. You don't want to bet this one, with a mediocre hand now, but potential for a lock. What a shame if you bet and got blown off your hand.

9cao · #5 08-25-2005, 02:34 PM

At that point in the hand I think there are three scenarios that make sense:

1) Villain badly played an overpair or has AJ.

I can't see him folding in this scenario but upside is if I do bet and he calls, I can hit one my my 17-20 outs and win a big pot on the river, or just check behind my top-pair if I miss. Downside is that if he checkraises me, I can't see myself folding here.

2) Villain has a drawing hand (AK maybe) and is trying to get to river cheap.

I can easily price out AK or AQ (4 - 6 outs), but I don't think I will get bigger flush draw out and could make for messy river. I also can't protect the current pot against shortstack who could be ahead and at the very least has outs.

3) Villain has a big hand and is trying to induce a bet.

I can't see him having a straight here and this would have been a very terrible way to play a set. In the small likely hood of this I still have 14 outs against any hand.

I am still confused.......

mgsimpleton · #6 08-25-2005, 03:16 PM

cero i gotta disagree with you on this one. i think usually in this situation what someone means is "please don't bet as this is a protected pot and bluffing would be stupid, jackass" to prevent someone from bluffing at a protected pot and pushing the guy who wrote that off the best hand... likely the J did not hit him or he has a draw (which is likely higher than yours if he has one)... i'm betting this turn. if he actually raises me he sure ain't blowing me off the hand cuz i've got 20 outs v an overpair and 15 v a set... so if he does raise, i'm just building the pot so if i hit i can win a monster on the river. i'm betting, folks.

tdarko · #7 08-25-2005, 03:33 PM

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i'm betting this turn. if he actually raises me he sure ain't blowing me off the hand cuz i've got 20 outs v an overpair and 15 v a set... so if he does raise, i'm just building the pot so if i hit i can win a monster on the river. i'm betting, folks.

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exactly. in my original reply to the OP i was going to ask "what is wrong with the villain calling your turn bet?"

Big_Jim · #8 08-25-2005, 03:45 PM

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"what is wrong with the villain calling your turn bet?"

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Nothing. It's the huge c/r that I'm worried about.

mikech · #9 08-25-2005, 03:49 PM

stack sizes are a little awkward, landing right between "i don't hate a c/r since i can win a monster" and "i don't wanna get blown off a huge draw." if the stacks were 3k i definitely pot it on the turn and would call a sizable c/r. but with 1600 behind, if you bet pot of 300, do you call a c/r push? if you bet 200 and he makes it 1000? with deeper stacks it's a bet, but as it is here i prob'ly check.

fimbulwinter · #10 08-25-2005, 02:09 PM

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