raise turn? or standard?

bank · #1 08-25-2005, 12:18 AM

I'm confused. Villian is unknown. I'm assuming he's a normal 3/6 donk. Should I raise turn for protection against hearts and value? I was folding to a river raise of course.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.16 BB

#2 08-25-2005, 01:23 AM

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Should I raise turn for protection against hearts and value?

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Yes.

bank · #3 08-25-2005, 01:25 AM

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Yes.

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Damnit. I'm dumb. But I also don't want something like 8x 22-44 66-77 folding that turn so I figured let him keep bluffing and flat call. I guess the protection is more valuable so raise? This is why i'm still at 3/6.

Lurker4 · #4 08-25-2005, 01:28 AM

yeah, raise the turn. he has a draw or a made hand you beat here way too often. Don't worry about him folding 8x as that is unlikely from a normal 3/6 unknown.

bank · #5 08-25-2005, 01:31 AM

Also, what if he 3 bets to my turn raise? Call turn and fold river UI?

Lurker4 · #6 08-25-2005, 01:37 AM

I'd call the 3-bet and call a non-heart river, maybe call a heart river depending on opponent

#7 08-25-2005, 01:42 AM

No one commented on this, but I think you should just check the river. You'll get some info on him by seeing what his hole cards are, and there is no way he is folding to a bet if he is holding a heart, and there is no way he is calling a bet if he isn't (or at least that liklihood is small), plus he could check-raise you with a flush or a bluff and then what would you do?

bank · #8 08-25-2005, 01:50 AM

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No one commented on this, but I think you should just check the river. You'll get some info on him by seeing what his hole cards are, and there is no way he is folding to a bet if he is holding a heart, and there is no way he is calling a bet if he isn't (or at least that liklihood is small), plus he could check-raise you with a flush or a bluff and then what would you do?

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1) i'm 99% he wouldn't c/r bluff in this spot
2) the information i'm getting from his hole cards doesn't outweigh the value of betting
3) i'm not trying to fold a better hand (like a small heart) i'm betting for value.

imported_leader · #9 08-25-2005, 01:53 AM

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3) i'm not trying to fold a better hand (like a small heart) i'm betting for value.

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Gutsy

#10 08-25-2005, 01:56 AM

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3) i'm not trying to fold a better hand (like a small heart) i'm betting for value.

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are you convinced this guy could call with less than a flush though? If you are the other guy, and are holding something like two pair or a set, do you fold to a bet here?