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#2
08-24-2005, 01:25 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2nd
Since there's already one runner in scoring position, putting one more guy on isn't going to make as big of a difference.
Didn't see the game and haven't seen the highlights yet, but I think the decision to face the worse hitter is a good gamble. 
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#3
08-24-2005, 01:26 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2nd
Depends on who is on second base I think. If it's a guy with speed, I don't think it really matters. If it's Cecil Fielder, walking him would be stupid.
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#5
08-25-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2nd
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Depends on who is on second base I think. If it's a guy with speed, I don't think it really matters. If it's Cecil Fielder, walking him would be stupid. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter who is on second simply because you don't put that man on third EVER! If it's a base hit, no matter who is on 2nd, you should at least have a chance to throw them out, even if they are moving on contact. You just play the outfield in a little. If you put that runner on 3rd, any seeing eye ball ends the game... and that's not only getting into you got to give the batter some good pitches since there is no walking in the winning run if you put the guy on third.
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#6
08-26-2005, 02:03 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2
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[ QUOTE ] Depends on who is on second base I think. If it's a guy with speed, I don't think it really matters. If it's Cecil Fielder, walking him would be stupid. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter who is on second simply because you don't put that man on third EVER! If it's a base hit, no matter who is on 2nd, you should at least have a chance to throw them out, even if they are moving on contact. You just play the outfield in a little. If you put that runner on 3rd, any seeing eye ball ends the game... and that's not only getting into you got to give the batter some good pitches since there is no walking in the winning run if you put the guy on third. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong. 95% of the players in the league will score on any base hit from second base, including "seeing eye" balls. Posada is the exception, not the rule.
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#7
08-26-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Depends on who is on second base I think. If it's a guy with speed, I don't think it really matters. If it's Cecil Fielder, walking him would be stupid. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter who is on second simply because you don't put that man on third EVER! If it's a base hit, no matter who is on 2nd, you should at least have a chance to throw them out, even if they are moving on contact. You just play the outfield in a little. If you put that runner on 3rd, any seeing eye ball ends the game... and that's not only getting into you got to give the batter some good pitches since there is no walking in the winning run if you put the guy on third. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong. 95% of the players in the league will score on any base hit from second base, including "seeing eye" balls. Posada is the exception, not the rule. [/ QUOTE ] Why say something as arrogant as 'This is wrong' and then use some stat that you just made up that is completely wrong and not even close. 95% of baseball players will not score on any base hit from 2nd base. If you meant to say that baserunners score 95% of the time on a base hit when they are on 2nd then you are also very wrong and not even close. Do you even watch baseball?
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#8
08-24-2005, 01:29 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2
since posada was on 2nd, this was a bad move by the jays.
also, the pitcher threw two pitches which were balls, so they didnt call it immediately. and escalona had respect playing as his intro song.
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#9
08-24-2005, 01:51 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2nd
This was a terrible decision.
First, there is a big difference between a man on 2nd and a man on 3rd. It matters only a little how fast the runner is. "Scoring position" is an arbitrary term and makes little sense. Batters score from 2nd on singles about half the time - a little more with 2 outs, but no one is anywhere near 100% to score from 2nd on a single. Second, the walk to Jeter loaded the bases. Now a walk would win the game. Walks are actually very common in this situation (see Proctor, Scott) - far above the normal walk rate. Escalona hit over .300 in AAA last year. He's no Derek Jeter, but he is a long ways from being bad enough to justify this decision. Jeter's pseudo "clutchness" might have won this game. If opposing managers continue to make moronic decisions because of his reputation, then maybe this ability is more useful than I thought.
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#10
08-24-2005, 01:57 AM
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Re: 2 out bottom of the 9th intentional walk, tied game men on 1st & 2
the fact that the pitcher went 2-0 on jeter definitely played a part. i guess they didnt want to have to give jeter that many strikes, because of the nature of jeters abs.
also, "scoring position" is overrated, but j-po is such a bad runner it is significant. walks being more common is a good point, especially since batista was having a control issue. however escalona is a hacker and rarely walks, but its still a good point.
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