WHAT IS UP WITH THE DONK BETTING?

[JohnnyHumongous]

I swear to God it's everywhere...

[baronzeus]

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Agreed and I call down too much to the donks [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[krishanleong]

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It is getting rediculous. The part I like least is if becomes much more widespread, preflop theory is going to have to be seriously altered. A chunk of a preflop raises value comes from getting checked to on the flop and having options. Donk bets reduce that value and may eventually cause some hands to be reevaluated.

Krishan

[cartman]

I don't know if I agree about the preflop theory. Although I have options when checked to, I always choose the same one when I am against two opponents or less. A player who will donkbet only with a pair or a draw lets us out cheaply with our two overcard and nothing hands. A checkraiser always collects at least one small bet. I think it is the postflop strategy which must be altered to fleece the habitual donkbettor. Against such an opponent who seems to donkbet EVERY flop whether he has a piece or not, we should just sit back and call, letting him continue to bet if he so chooses. I call all the way and raise the river a ton against an opponent like this with my real hands. I often just call all the way down with a good Ace high. It is amazing how often you will get shown an absolutely zero hand that would have folded if at any point you would have raised. Embrace the donk bettors! Against them you truly do have options.

Cartman

[Anders_G]

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It is getting rediculous. The part I like least is if becomes much more widespread, preflop theory is going to have to be seriously altered. A chunk of a preflop raises value comes from getting checked to on the flop and having options. Donk bets reduce that value and may eventually cause some hands to be reevaluated.

Krishan

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I always thought that the only bet that counted as a donk-bet was when the bettor check-called a previous street.

However, betting out on the flop into the PF-raiser is already a good strategy given that so many players fail to adapt to it correctly and therefore make errors.

[arkady]

i 2nd that sentiment, especially in the higher limits the donkbetting is notoriously persistent.

krish may be right, if its becomes more widespread then some things will have to change.

[Nigel]

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i 2nd that sentiment, especially in the higher limits the donkbetting is notoriously persistent.

krish may be right, if its becomes more widespread then some things will have to change.

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How does it change things? It can make it harder to play post-flop, but other than opponent specific decisions (like upping your blind stealing standards, for example), what do you see changing pre-flop?

Nigel

[arkady]

Some situations and some hands strive on a cheap showdown in order to take the pot down. With these donkbets it becomes more expensive and reduces the showdown period frequency. So now one would wonder if raising these hands has any merit if we are forced to give up when donked every time.

[Wynton]

I'll add one observation. At stars 3/6, I found that the donk bet usually meant strength; but at party 5/10, I'm finding that the donk bet just as often means a missed draw, or an outright bluff.

Is there any identifable pattern to donk bets at higher limits?

[wackjob]

More donk-bets because more people are reading poker literature that RECOMMENDS donk bets. A lot of poker literature recommends this & thus it gets done incorrectly a lot SH because of the wrong applications. Donk betting is a lot more effective in NL & full games from my experiences. Donk betting is also better in live play than online.