KQs Against Evan

[SippinSoma]

Evan said I should post more so I'll try to.

Serious 2p2 .02/.04 table I got going last night. Table line-up is a Breakz, Evan, Trix, Robinsmad, SteveL91, Brazilio, and Dealer_toe. Evan has been playing very well, but very loose PF. I've been playing very well too and pretty tight.

Breakz folds, Evan raises, folded to me in the BB. I call with KQs.

The flop comes K68 rainbow. I check, Evan bets, I call.

Turn is an 5. I check, Evan bets, I call.

River is a 2. I bet, Evan raises, I call.

[irishpint]

why not 3 bet pf
'evan has been playing very loose pf'

or was just calling for deception or something?

[Danenania]

Easy 3-bet PF. Given the way you played it I would checkraise the turn. You're ahead a vast majority of the time and your line doesn't get as much out of TT-QQ, 9's, or worse K's (I doubt he folds any of these to a turn c/r unless you've been playing the limp noodle, perhaps lesser 9's). Oh and he'll have an easy fold with A-high to your river bet if that's your idea.

[shant]

I don't know if I'd use a standard 2+2 line against another 2+2er. He knows what your bet on the end means most of the time, and will raise with a better K or set and fold A-high and smaller pairs.

[SippinSoma]

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I don't know if I'd use a standard 2+2 line against another 2+2er. He knows what your bet on the end means most of the time, and will raise with a better K or set and fold A-high and smaller pairs.

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You're close...

[spamuell]

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I don't know if I'd use a standard 2+2 line against another 2+2er. He knows what your bet on the end means most of the time, and will raise with a better K or set and fold A-high and smaller pairs.

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Unless Evan knows that Soma knows this and thinks he'll fold weaker Kings and worse (not KQ but it was out of the BB so his range is fairly wide) to the raise so he raises with A-high. But I don't know, I think it depends a lot on how the table was playing and if people were folding hands or if everyone was trying to outplay each other so no one was folding anything.

[SippinSoma]

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I don't know if I'd use a standard 2+2 line against another 2+2er. He knows what your bet on the end means most of the time, and will raise with a better K or set and fold A-high and smaller pairs.

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Unless Evan knows that Soma knows this and thinks he'll fold weaker Kings and worse (not KQ but it was out of the BB so his range is fairly wide) to the raise so he raises with A-high. But I don't know, I think it depends a lot on how the table was playing and if people were folding hands or if everyone was trying to outplay each other so no one was folding anything.

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WINNAR.

I made my hand fairly readable, but I looked vulnerable. I wanted Evan to try taking advantage of me with his weaker hands. He wasn't going to bet this river with anything I beat, so I put him a spot where he felt he could force me into a mistake (folding). Instead, he makes a 2 BB mistake. I extract 3.5 BBs postflop out of weaker hand and he later ims me things like "Dude, you weren't suppose to think that deep," and "Yes, you did own me."

I talked it over with Entity and he thinks Evan just played it really bad, but I think my line was best given the feel of how Evan would play it.

For those that advocating other lines, remember that Evan is a 2p2er. In fact, he's a very good one. Plays higher stakes than I do. He's not the average donk and to win I must make serious adjustments. What's unusual about this WA/WB situation is that I'm much more often WA than I am WB, so I have to maximize my profit from when I'm WA by letting him do some work with weaker hands.

I still have some mixed thoughts on this hand if the read were different, but I think given the feel of the game (not much else I can do to describe that), I played it well and won the maximum off Evan.

[uw_madtown]

Well played, my Amazonian friend.

[SippinSoma]

I'll see you in Round 2.

[Derek in NYC]

I play this straightforwardly against aggressive players, and slow down only if raised on the turn.