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Old 08-21-2005, 05:06 AM
Turning Stone Pro Turning Stone Pro is offline
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Default PP 100-200 QQ hand.

PP 1-2 game. I have been playing well and my image is tight and aggressive (imagine that!). Solid player who I don't have crib notes on raises UTG+1. I three bet with QQ from MP. Fold around, he caps, I call.

Flop is AA4. He bets, I call.
Turn is a 5 (no flush concerns). He bets, I call.
River is a 7. He checks.

1) What should I do on the river?
2) How do you like the rest of the hand?

Thanks!

TSP
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:09 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

Definately bet.
I would've rasied after the flop.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

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I would've rasied after the flop.

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Why? This is terrible advice. Do you want him to fold a smaller pair? Do you think he's going to fold KK or an A?
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:01 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

You want to take it down right there. If he reraises you fold.
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

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You want to take it down right there. If he reraises you fold.

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Two problems with this. First, he typically won't reraise with an A. He'll attempt a check-raise on the turn. And if your response is that you'll now check behind on the turn, my answer to that is that you have just lost at least 1 SB in all those cases when he has a worse hand. Second, as you're raising him on the flop, you better hope that this guy will almost never reraise with JJ/TT. And my guess is that if he has any brains and ever sees you pull that flop raise/fold even once, you can no longer assume that he won't 3-bet you with JJ/TT.
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:30 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

Is it that important for 1 SB, or is it more important to get a read on what he has. At this point we can't figure out his hand?
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

I check if he bets only a hand he beats will fold if the guy calls he will probably have KK or a weak A
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Old 08-21-2005, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

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I check if he bets only a hand he beats will fold if the guy calls he will probably have KK or a weak A

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Its not that easy to lay down 99 1010 JJ for one bet in a pot that has almost 2k in it.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:37 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

This is tricky. His river check almost always means that he doesn't have an A, so the key question here is whether he'd cap with JJ and smaller pairs preflop. I doubt he'd cap with TT or less, so it all comes down to whether he has KK or JJ. It seems like a tossup, except that

(a) JJ is more likely to check the river than KK
(b) if he has QQ, your bet has a very slight chance of getting him to fold

So I say it's a value bet, but not by a whole lot.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: PP 100-200 QQ hand.

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This is tricky. His river check almost always means that he doesn't have an A, so the key question here is whether he'd cap with JJ and smaller pairs preflop. I doubt he'd cap with TT or less, so it all comes down to whether he has KK or JJ. It seems like a tossup, except that

(a) JJ is more likely to check the river than KK
(b) if he has QQ, your bet has a very slight chance of getting him to fold

So I say it's a value bet, but not by a whole lot.

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agreed.
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