Terroist...........Freedom fighters

I know the difference, attacks on civilians are the only thing that seperate the two. But if the so called terroist win then history portarys them as freedom fighters. So having said that the Israeli army are the biggest terroist of all time. Before you blow your lid you should go to Israel and see for yourself. Having grown up in the principalty of Monaco Ive seen people from all ethnic backgrounds. For the most part Arabs and the Isrealies are very nice people.........untill they go to Isreal. Then all hell breaks loose.

IMO its the country of Isreal causing alot of [censored] world wide not the Jews or the Arabs but a strip of land. Having been there twice Ive seen human rights violations that would make any westerner sick to there stomach. How can I blame a palesatine for wanting to attack Isreal after a rocket(US supplied) wipes out 1/2 his family for retaltion of a "terroist attack" on a Isreali army out post? Bush should condone Sharon(sp) for his human right violations. If a Arab leader acted the way Sharon does a US lead invasion would be in the near future.

I do not condone the acts of terrosit and if a couple of countrys need to be invaded so I can live the good life here in America so be it. IMO the word terroist is being thrown around to loosely these days and that is dangers. Is a drug dealer a terroist? I think not, yet my govt. is using the patriot act to arrestt and hold them......not good.

This was a rant and really has no point I just wanted to say this stuff.


Next week its a rant on Clinton and how he could have stoped all of this years ago.

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>>So having said that the Israeli army are the biggest terroist of all time<<

You are an idiot.

>>Next week its a rant on Clinton and how he could have stoped all of this years ago. <<

Wow. You really, really are an idiot.

I respect your opinons and I will not call you names but have you ever been to Isreal? Have you seen children being pushed out of there homes, sometimes viloently(sp) to make way for Patriot Missile traning and launching stations. I have, and its sad very sad so untill youve seen a 11 year old get his arm shot off I dont think you have a right to judge me,

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>>have you ever been to Isreal? Have you seen children being pushed out of there homes, sometimes viloently(sp) to make way for Patriot Missile traning and launching stations.<<

What I have seen is massive throngs of palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11, celebrating the murder of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians at the hands of islamic terrorists.

The palestinians showed the entire world that day exactly who and what they are. Clearly, this is not a people or a culture that one can negotiate with reasonably or decently.

The Israelis made a bold and dramatic move in pulling out of Gaza to promote peace. I would be very, very surprised if the palestinians responded to this astounding and dramatic israelis peace offering with anything except more terrorism.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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>>have you ever been to Isreal? Have you seen children being pushed out of there homes, sometimes viloently(sp) to make way for Patriot Missile traning and launching stations.<<

What I have seen is massive throngs of palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11, celebrating the murder of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians at the hands of islamic terrorists.

The palestinians showed the entire world that day exactly who and what they are. Clearly, this is not a people or a culture that one can negotiate with reasonably or decently.

The Israelis made a bold and dramatic move in pulling out of Gaza to promote peace. I would be very, very surprised if the palestinians responded to this astounding and dramatic israelis peace offering with anything except more terrorism.

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So again, a hawk comes up with the old story. Our enemy (the Palestinians) is so evil, that we can justify our atrocities by it. Luckily, in most of the world, this Hitler-like thinking, is not so popular as in Israel.

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>>So again, a hawk comes up with the old story. Our enemy (the Palestinians) is so evil, that we can justify our atrocities by it. Luckily, in most of the world, this Hitler-like thinking, is not so popular as in Israel. <<

Ridiculous, of course, but I'm not surprised you would characterize this discussion in that way. You've obviously too partisan to be objective.

And of course, whenever someone trots out the 'Hitler' comparison, we know that further discussion is pointless.

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So again, a hawk comes up with the old story. Our enemy (the Palestinians) is so evil, that we can justify our atrocities by it. Luckily, in most of the world, this Hitler-like thinking, is not so popular as in Israel.

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Hi

You have to understand that the newspeak definition of terrorism is 'something with which the Americans find disagreement with'. If you remember this you will realise that Western governments cannot commit terrorism, nor can the armies of such governments, or regimes supported by those governments.

Mack

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The Israelis made a bold and dramatic move in pulling out of Gaza to promote peace. I would be very, very surprised if the palestinians responded to this astounding and dramatic israelis peace offering with anything except more terrorism.

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The Palestinians have continously offered generous peace terms to Israel for more than a generation, formally and officially since 1988: Israeli withdrawal from the territories occupied in 1967 and a Palestinian state recognizing Israel in its stead. Israel's response has been and continues to be abject refusal to seriously consider this while vastly increasing settlements, land confiscations, demolitions, occupation, violence and overall oppression. Sharon has proposed no peace proposal since coming to office more than five years ago. Even the "dramatic" Gaza "withdrawal" is more of a mere redeployment of settlers from one occupied territory to the other, as Gaza amounts to less than 3% of Israel's settlers -- closer to 1% if you include occupied East Jerusalem -- while the "natural growth" of and new units slated for the West Bank will easily surpass this level. Indeed, as The Economist noted this week, Israel has no intention of permanently withdrawing its troops from Gaza. Since Israel has not even offered peace to the Palestinians, Israel has no right to complain about its absence.

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The Israelis made a bold and dramatic move in pulling out of Gaza to promote peace. I would be very, very surprised if the palestinians responded to this astounding and dramatic israelis peace offering with anything except more terrorism.

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The Palestinians have continously offered generous peace terms to Israel for more than a generation, formally and officially since 1988: Israeli withdrawal from the territories occupied in 1967 and a Palestinian state recognizing Israel in its stead. Israel's response has been and continues to be abject refusal to seriously consider this while vastly increasing settlements, land confiscations, demolitions, occupation, violence and overall oppression. Sharon has proposed no peace proposal since coming to office more than five years ago. Even the "dramatic" Gaza "withdrawal" is more of a mere redeployment of settlers from one occupied territory to the other, as Gaza amounts to less than 3% of Israel's settlers -- closer to 1% if you include occupied East Jerusalem -- while the "natural growth" of and new units slated for the West Bank will easily surpass this level. Indeed, as The Economist noted this week, Israel has no intention of permanently withdrawing its troops from Gaza. Since Israel has not even offered peace to the Palestinians, Israel has no right to complain about its absence.

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You're like the kid in the candy store. Nothing is ever good enough. You bellyache that Israel needs to get out of the occupied territories. So they now are leaving Gaza. And instead of being credited, if not praised, for relinquishing land that they took fair-and-square after being attacked, you criticize them for not doing more.

Identify the one thing the Palestinians have done in the last 15 years to further the peace process that comes remotely close to equaling this move by the Israelis. One thing.

As someone else said, neither side is perfect. But this view of the poor Palestinians who are helplessly oppressed by the mean Israelis is not grounded in reality, no matter what your retort.

Face facts. The Palestinians are pawns, and have been for 50 years. The other Arabs in the region could have assimilated the Palestinians at any time. They refused to do so ... because they were able to use the Palestinian issue in the court of public opinion, particularly in Europe, in furtherance of their battle to make Israel disappear.

Think about it. Some of the richest nations of the world are Arab. They could have ended the Palestinians plight with a drop of aid. But they've never done so; it always furthers the battle to instead remind everyone that the real evil-doer is Israel. And if the Palestinian issue doesn't exist, then what will they use to make the world hate the Jews?

And it's become clear that, when the Palestinians did get foreign aid, most of it wound up in Mr. Arafat's bank account. But again, of course, that's Israel's fault.

So you should do a little less hammering of the nation that has come under attack twice, unjustifiably, and whose citizens take their lives in their hands when they board a bus or go to a nightclub. But I know you won't.

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>>So having said that the Israeli army are the biggest terroist of all time<<

You are an idiot.

>>Next week its a rant on Clinton and how he could have stoped all of this years ago. <<

Wow. You really, really are an idiot.

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He should not have put at all times, but the state of Israel is the most dangerous terrorist organization of today due to its military capacity.