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#1
08-19-2005, 09:35 AM
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Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
$5-10 live
Hero~$4500 Villian~$3000 Hero in SB 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 limnpers, Hero calls and BB checks Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 makes it $65, 2 callers before it gets back to hero, Hero makes it $365, BB folds, UTG+1/Villain moves in for ~$2900. Villain will often overplay TPTK, make pretty big bluffs at times, but is not that reckless with this deep a stack. My range for him at this point is 9x8x as well, set, or semi-bluff with nut flush draw. Easy call? Crying call? Other lines on playing this on the flop? Thanks for any feedback. 
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#2
08-19-2005, 09:43 AM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
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$5-10 live Hero~$4500 Villian~$3000 Hero in SB 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 limnpers, Hero calls and BB checks Flop J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 makes it $65, 2 callers before it gets back to hero, Hero makes it $365, BB folds, UTG+1/Villain moves in for ~$2900. Villain will often overplay TPTK, make pretty big bluffs at times, but is not that reckless with this deep a stack. My range for him at this point is 9x8x as well, set, or semi-bluff with nut flush draw. Easy call? Crying call? Other lines on playing this on the flop? Thanks for any feedback. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? You have the nuts. Ya ya, you're a small dog to KQ clubs or whatever and he could be freerolling w/89 w/1 or 2 clubs but, ummmmmmmmm, you have the nuts. As for your line, it looks like you accomplished what you wanted to accomplish, but with the board as draw heavy as it is, I think leading out is better hoping to get raised, b/c the flop getting checked around is awful with that many scare cards out there. So I guess he won then, eh?
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#3
08-19-2005, 10:32 AM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
Thanks for all the responses. FWIW, there was no way I was considering folding here. The intent of the original post was maybe to think about different lines of playing this here. I was happy to get all the money in with the current nuts, was a little queasy when I called and he flipped over K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
He turned the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the str8 flush. No big deal, that's poker. Any opinions on smooth calling the $65 flop bet on a draw heavy board, and moving in/overbetting the pot on a non club turn? I know this is after the fact/results oriented thinking, but is it a better play to make since villain would be making a much bigger mistake moving in in this situation vs on the flop?
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#4
08-19-2005, 11:36 AM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
To answer your other question, if you bet the flop you may just get a caller but, if villian thinks you are strong he will need to re-raise with KQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to get his value out of his hand if he hits one of his outs. I think either way all the money is going in on this flop.
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#5
08-19-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
That last question...I meant checking the flop letting villain bet and just calling his bet to see what happens on the turn. Once again this is after the fact thinking, but as is often the case in this game, a pot sized bet on the flop with the purpose of getting draws to fold does not happen b/c the stacks are so deep and the implied odds are so good.
If I just call the flop bet and a blank comes off on the turn, I can make an overbet/pot bet, if he calls or moves in his odds are much worse here than they were on the flop. On the flip side, if the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] comes off like it did, I think can get away w/o losing most of my stack.
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#6
08-19-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
think of how much you lose when he has JT and the 7 pairs if you were to wait... or when he has a set and the 9c peels off... you see where this is going, right?
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#7
08-19-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
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Thanks for all the responses. FWIW, there was no way I was considering folding here. The intent of the original post was maybe to think about different lines of playing this here. I was happy to get all the money in with the current nuts, was a little queasy when I called and he flipped over K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He turned the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the str8 flush. No big deal, that's poker. Any opinions on smooth calling the $65 flop bet on a draw heavy board, and moving in/overbetting the pot on a non club turn? I know this is after the fact/results oriented thinking, but is it a better play to make since villain would be making a much bigger mistake moving in in this situation vs on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Your suggested line is a guaranteed way to make the minimum with the nuts. Rather than putting in money, you're suggesting slowplaying so that you can either a) shut down when one of numerous scare cards hits or b) Make an absurdly big bet on the turn so that nobody puts in money with worse hands. Get some money in-the times villain sucks out will be made up for by the times you get paid off on the flop.
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#9
08-19-2005, 04:38 PM
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Re: Live deep stack $5-10 NL, flopped nuts facing stack re-raise
I would have never guessed you lost this hand.
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