A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?

W. Deranged · #1 08-19-2005, 01:12 AM

Villain seems on the tightish side but I don't have much of a read as I just sat down.

The question is pretty obvious...

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 7 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (5.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero???

toss · #2 08-19-2005, 01:17 AM

Yes I'd 3-bet, I don't think its that thin either.

weevil · #3 08-19-2005, 01:32 AM

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Villain seems on the tightish side but I don't have much of a read as I just sat down.

The question is pretty obvious...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 7 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (5.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero???

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QJ is very likely here.

ellipse_87 · #4 08-19-2005, 12:22 PM

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QJ is very likely here.

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K8 suit (2) and KJ (8) are more likely than QJs (4). He could have K9s (2) & KT (6) for a better 2-pr, though the action on earlier streets I think discounts these possibilities.

I would 3-bet expecting to see KJ.

Nick C · #5 08-19-2005, 01:59 AM

Ugh.

He could've simply caught his king, with KQ/KJ.

However, it's hard to put him on a range, really, since his flop bet was quite likely just a stab.

I don't think I could find a fold if I faced a cap (and QJ isn't out of the question at all, and meanwhile even K9 can't be ruled out), so I would probably just call.

I'm not claiming this is necessarily best. It's just probably what I would do.

W. Deranged · #6 08-19-2005, 02:01 AM

My major problem here is that I realized that if I get capped there is such a tiny chance I'm winning here. This is an odd hand where, given the action, the strength indicated by a river raise, a river three-bet, and a river cap are all very different.

Nick C · #7 08-19-2005, 02:25 AM

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My major problem here is that I realized that if I get capped there is such a tiny chance I'm winning here. This is an odd hand where, given the action, the strength indicated by a river raise, a river three-bet, and a river cap are all very different.

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I agree.

A 3-bet may be best, but I just don't think I could fold to a cap.

And if I couldn't fold to a cap, a 3-bet might not be best anymore.

AL5AcE · #8 08-19-2005, 10:58 AM

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My major problem here is that I realized that if I get capped there is such a tiny chance I'm winning here. This is an odd hand where, given the action, the strength indicated by a river raise, a river three-bet, and a river cap are all very different.

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I agree.

A 3-bet may be best, but I just don't think I could fold to a cap.

And if I couldn't fold to a cap, a 3-bet might not be best anymore.

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Yea, I'd think exactly the same as what Nick C said. Also, 3 bet is for value and please don't fold the river.

molawn2mo · #9 08-19-2005, 09:48 AM

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My major problem here is that I realized that if I get capped there is such a tiny chance I'm winning here. This is an odd hand where, given the action, the strength indicated by a river raise, a river three-bet, and a river cap are all very different.

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Wow...

A tightish villain limps utg. A tightish villain bet the flop and calls the raise. OK. Villain, with a hand worse than 2nd pair, ought have a hard time calling the turn without a made hand or QJ, specifically (J9?).

I just don't get a 3 bet, here.

A river 3 bet has no fold equity (other than J9). I think your lost here, villain holding KT, K9 or QJ.

peterchi · #10 08-19-2005, 09:58 AM

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A river 3 bet has no fold equity

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I'm not sure why you mention fold equity. If we're 3-betting, it's for value.

This is rather odd though. If we 3-bet, we're pretty much hoping he has KQ, KJ, or T9s. I don't think these are likely enough, and the very last thing I'd want to do is put in 4 bets with this hand. So I think we're good for a call.