bettin turn after gettin raised on flop bet

badbill7 · #1 08-18-2005, 09:54 PM

sorry cant remember reads on these people but lets say im against a loose slightly aggressive here. I raised flop because diddnt think a cr would work here then i bet turn because i gained important outs with gutshot. Hasd similar scenarion lst night but didtn have a made hand so what are thoughts about this turn lead after getting raised on flop

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

benkath1 · #2 08-18-2005, 10:01 PM

I'm not really liking this unless you think Button will fold. After the flop action, I would think I am drawing against a made hand.

Why didn't you think a C/R would work against a loose slightly aggressive player who raised preflop?

I feel I'm fairly loose, but I would fold that preflop. I keep suited connectors with no reads to the hijack thru SB.

badbill7 · #3 08-18-2005, 10:15 PM

i feel like im best player at this table and can outplay post here. otherwise i agree this is out of position a bit.

my turn improved my second best hand here so i figured bet to build pot, kick people out and improve ect. if i got raised didnt think it a bad thing here because of my strong redraws which i was very sure would hold up. with that in mind does it change your opinion of the turn bet or not?

Vote4Pedro · #4 08-18-2005, 10:24 PM

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my turn improved my second best hand here so i figured bet to build pot, kick people out and improve ect. if i got raised didnt think it a bad thing here because of my strong redraws which i was very sure would hold up. with that in mind does it change your opinion of the turn bet or not?

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badbill7 · #5 08-18-2005, 10:38 PM

vote. i meant that i felt that if i caught my flush or straight that it would hold up on river.

davelin · #6 08-19-2005, 07:21 AM

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my turn improved my second best hand here so i figured bet to build pot, kick people out and improve ect.

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If you kick one person out, your bet no longer has equity.

WSOP Bound · #7 08-18-2005, 10:25 PM

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Why didn't you think a C/R would work against a loose slightly aggressive player who raised preflop?

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Am I missing something here? Why would you want to c/r the flop with middle pair and the preflop raiser to your immediatte left? Your just going to trap the field in this situation. Doesn't seem to me like your in a good position to c/r this flop. In fact I think if your going to raise/bet at all leading out and hoping that he raises is your best option.

benkath1 · #8 08-18-2005, 10:31 PM

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Am I missing something here? Why would you want to c/r the flop with middle pair and the preflop raiser to your immediatte left? Your just going to trap the field in this situation. Doesn't seem to me like your in a good position to c/r this flop. In fact I think if your going to raise/bet at all leading out and hoping that he raises is your best option.

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I'm not trying to say c/r was the right play, I just wanted to know why he thought he wouldn't be able to pull it off. Take the same flop and he flops bottom set. I think a check raise would be real nice.

WSOP Bound · #9 08-18-2005, 10:37 PM

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Why didn't you think a C/R would work against a loose slightly aggressive player who raised preflop?

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Am I missing something here? Why would you want to c/r the flop with middle pair and the preflop raiser to your immediatte left? Your just going to trap the field in this situation. Doesn't seem to me like your in a good position to c/r this flop. In fact I think if your going to raise/bet at all leading out and hoping that he raises is your best option.

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I'm not trying to say c/r was the right play, I just wanted to know why he thought he wouldn't be able to pull it off. Take the same flop and he flops bottom set. I think a check raise would be real nice.

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Thanks, just making sure that I'm not missing anything. And I completely agree. A c/r would be great here with a strong hand like bottom set.

DCWildcat · #10 08-18-2005, 10:17 PM

grunch

Not a fan of the turn. He's not folding after raising the flop, he'll probably bet at it anyway, and you really don't want a raise here. The only value bet you're getting on the turn is with 2 callers.

Edit: I'm also folding this PF. Being able to outplay your opponents won't compensate for this hand's weakness.