In the land of the blinds, the one-kinged man is I

bobbyi · #1 08-16-2005, 11:38 PM

In live play, I have always chopped, so blind battles are still fairly foreign to me. Like this one? Villain is 52/6/1.6 on 200 hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 3 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB

dhaimon · #2 08-17-2005, 12:23 AM

Raise this flop, the rest of the hand is fine.

Mid pair in a blind battle is a pretty strong hand. And I generally don't credit them the ace when they don't raise preflop. He could easily be betting both a spade here, or a 3 or a worse 8.

bobbyi · #3 08-17-2005, 02:53 AM

The guy's pfr is 6 which is absurdly low. I wouldn't be surprised if he limps with weak aces at least sometimes. I agree that mid pair/ good kicker in a blind battle is usually a strong hand, but not having a spade on this board signficantly weakens my hand compared to the norm.

PassiveCaller · #4 08-17-2005, 01:24 AM

I'd probably raise the flop too, without the raise I'm going to at least give them less credit for an Ace.

Especially at 10-20.

dave44 · #5 08-17-2005, 01:58 AM

I think you need to raise either the flop or the turn.

JrJordan · #6 08-17-2005, 02:56 AM

I would call the flop and raise a non-spade turn. He's not three betting without at least an A because of the scare board. That way you charge a spade draw, and can check behind the river if you feel a value bet is too thin (but I'm pretty sure a value bet is required by law if the river is a nonspade).

bobbyi · #7 08-17-2005, 03:03 AM

If he calls your turn raise and then a spade hits on the river and he bets out, are you folding?

wackjob · #8 08-17-2005, 03:20 AM

I don't know why you raised preflop. A guy that raises that little is likely limping weak aces & kings & low pocket pairs from the SB, mostly hands that have you beaten. I'd rather see the flop before I put more money in the pot. I raise the flop or the turn as well & bet until given a reason not to.. including a spade river.

MAxx · #9 08-17-2005, 02:51 PM

"I don't know why you raised preflop. A guy that raises that little is likely limping weak aces & kings & low pocket pairs from the SB, mostly hands that have you beaten..."

um did you see that VPIP of 52? there's a lot of other stuff he is likely playing as well. EASY raise pf. I'd raise ALMOST ANYONE who completes SB and I am holding K8 int he BB.

bobbyi · #10 08-17-2005, 04:43 PM

I was going to reply to say the same thing. A guy like this would complete with a very wide range of hands (especially because it hasn't folded to us in the blinds yet so he hasn't learned that I will usually raise if he completes). He would still raise with many of his good hands. As a result, from the fact that he limped I think he may even have weaker than a purely random hand here.