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Old 08-15-2005, 06:25 PM
weevil weevil is offline
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Default Two successful semibluffs

I rarely semibluff, but these two situations seemed ideal.

I had just sat down, but had about 20 hands on the EP raiser, 15/15/.5/WTSD, nothing on the button.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Button folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB


Villian is 30/15/1/0 also over about 20 hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, CO folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

I'm not betting that river in hand 1, it's wasted money. If you think he's tricky enough to steal the pot with his busted draw, c/c. Otherwise he'll check through hands you're beating but won't call a bet. I don't like that preflop semi-coldcall either in hand 1. Once the button calls the initial flop bet, I don't see much equity in the checkraise, your T overs are dirty, your A overs are probably dirty, and of your 8 straight outs 2 are possibly dirty as well, and you're not drawing superstrong to a one-card anyway.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

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I'm not betting that river in hand 1, it's wasted money

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No, once you get there like the OP did, you have to bet the river to get the villain to fold AK/AQ/AJ.

Either way, fold preflop on both.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

His reads are awfully premature, but I can't imagine AQ or AK calling that turn bet on a two-flush 3 to a straight board that paired with a smallish pot.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

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His reads are awfully premature, but I can't imagine AQ or AK calling that turn bet on a two-flush 3 to a straight board that paired with a smallish pot.

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They're doing it all the time.

Edit: Even if you think they're not calling there very often, betting the river is still the best option. You're not gonna to catch a bluff from KQ/KJ often enough to make check-calling right. The only time the villain will bet the river is when he was playing weakly with an overpair. You have to give him a chance to fold cause if you check the river you lose.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:36 PM
HolyBejeesus HolyBejeesus is offline
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

Hand 1: Fold preflop. Betting the river is very important because you are still behind AK and AQ.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. Fold flop. I guess the turn semibluff raise is good.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

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Hand 1: Fold preflop. Betting the river is very important because you are still behind AK and AQ.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. Fold flop. I guess the turn semibluff raise is good.

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You guys are all tight in the wrong places.
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Old 08-15-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

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Hand 1: Fold preflop. Betting the river is very important because you are still behind AK and AQ.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. Fold flop. I guess the turn semibluff raise is good.

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You guys are all tight in the wrong places.

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no.

he's right on.
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

I think calling a utg raise with 9/10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] from MP1 is a leak not being overly tight
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Old 08-15-2005, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: Two successful semibluffs

I fold both of these preflop.
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