Proof that I need a long break?

[TheWorstPlayer]

BB is 66/8/3AF retard. MP is 19/3 but a little too loose postflop. I had no plan for this hand. I suck at poker, apparently.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

MP ($157.75)
CO ($116.35)
Button ($122.55)
TWP ($99.05)
BB ($118.50)
UTG ($101.85)

Preflop: TWP is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. TWP posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">TWP (poster) raises to $2.5</font>, BB calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($9) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">TWP bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $16</font>, MP calls $16, TWP calls $8.

Turn: ($57) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
TWP checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $30</font>, TWP calls $30, BB calls $30.

River: ($147) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
TWP pushes.

[Lady Dont Tekno]

I'm just starting to get into NL but I'm pretty sure that's a bad flop for you and an even worse turn. I'd fold the turn.

LDT

[passion]

I agree about taking a break - and play under a different account or screen name when you return.

Putting in a big raise PF might solve a lot of problem in this hand. First, it may weed out some crappy hands that have the capability to bust you (T7 for instance). Secondly, it lets everyone know that your very serious about your holding. This makes it less likely that they will try to make a stand with something like J9 or J8 on the flop.

Given the way you played the hand I think you have to give the guy credit for something good and fold to the turn bet.

Passion

[TheWorstPlayer]

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I think you have to give the guy credit for something good and fold to the turn bet.


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Which one is 'the guy'?

[passion]

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I think you have to give the guy credit for something good and fold to the turn bet.


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Which one is 'the guy'?

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I should have said guy(s). The fact that you are up agaist two players make the turn into a bigger fold situation.

Passion

[TheWorstPlayer]

What do you think are hand ranges for each?

[passion]

I'm not going to treat these guys separately in speculating about what their holdings might be because I don't think there is any reason to. From you perspective you might as well treat them as one super player. They both have you covered so there are no side pot considerations from your point of view.

At a minimum I would speculate that your looking at JQ and a draw (like J8). Other probable hands include JT, T7, J8, or J9, all of which have you destroyed by the turn.

Passion

[amoeba]

hey Dov,

you want to trade hand histories again?

I think last time was pretty helpful for me. I don't know if you feel the same.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Yeah that couldbe good. I think I know where my biggest leak is (perma-tilt=bluffing calling stations) but there easily could be many more that I am not aware of. Send me some and I'll send you some.

[Voltron87]

twp this is awful


between the flop and turn you found nowhere to fold?