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Old 08-15-2005, 12:06 PM
SoBeDude SoBeDude is offline
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Default Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

Will someone please help me with the converter!? It essentially doesn't work at all anymore for me on Empire or on Paradise.

Game #931623247 - Tournament $50,000 R&A - 15,000/30,000 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2005/08/13-23:59:43.6 (CST)
Table "$50,000 R&A 55" (MTT) -- Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: skanskan (367,502 in chips)
Seat 4: COSMO527 (161,925 in chips)
Seat 6: SoBeDude (222,452 in chips)
Seat 7: BudmansCom (70,380 in chips)
Seat 8: parapokwins (208,792 in chips)
Seat 9: drewkaminsky (510,686 in chips)
COSMO527: Ante (1,500)
SoBeDude: Ante (1,500)
BudmansCom: Ante (1,500)
parapokwins: Ante (1,500)
drewkaminsky: Ante (1,500)
skanskan: Ante (1,500)
BudmansCom: Post Small Blind (15,000)
parapokwins: Post Big Blind (30,000)
Dealing...
Dealt to SoBeDude [ 7h ]
Dealt to SoBeDude [ Jc ]
drewkaminsky: Fold
skanskan: Fold
COSMO527: Fold
SoBeDude: Fold
BudmansCom: Raise (53,880)
parapokwins: Fold
BudmansCom: Winner -- doesn't show cards

So there is 9K in antes, 45K in the blinds, so pot before any action is 54K

The shorty shoves 53,880, making a 23,880 call in to a 92K pot for Para!

That is a 3.8 to 1 pot odds call...and he...FOLDS!

I gave him grief at the table but he insisted he didn't want to make that call with "7 high".

Give it to him.

On a side not, anyone besides me think I should have taken a shot at picking up the pot?

-Scott
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:14 PM
bruce bruce is offline
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

Maybe they were passing chips, who knows? That's a horrible
fold. Why didn't you take a shot at it? I sure would have
been tempted esp. if that's how tight the bb plays. The problem online is you almost have to look at your hand. When
I play live in your spot I wouldn't even look. I would play
27 like AA and that would be an auto raise under normal circumstances with my stack size.

Bruce
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Old 08-15-2005, 02:49 PM
SoBeDude SoBeDude is offline
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

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Maybe they were passing chips, who knows? That's a horrible
fold. Why didn't you take a shot at it? I sure would have
been tempted esp. if that's how tight the bb plays. The problem online is you almost have to look at your hand. When
I play live in your spot I wouldn't even look. I would play
27 like AA and that would be an auto raise under normal circumstances with my stack size.

Bruce

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I clearly gave him too much respect. Knowing he's a 2+2er, I'd wrongly assumed he's expand his calling range to my button push.

Doh!

-Scott
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:24 PM
MeanGreenTT MeanGreenTT is offline
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

MUCH like the hand here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 08-15-2005, 02:50 PM
SoBeDude SoBeDude is offline
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MUCH like the hand here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I think folding on the turn in your spot is clearly different than folding preflop getting those kind of pot odds.

But I said that already in your thread.

-Scott
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:28 PM
Pat Southern Pat Southern is offline
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

I think you missed a steal opportunity, but yea thats a bad fold by the BB
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

I'd call if I got dealt 1 deuce and an UNO card.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

Speaking of which ...

In a live tourney last weekend in LV, a (really bad) dealer first shuffled in, then dealt a seat card to the 10 seat. I was the only one to notice it and had to point it out to him.

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Old 08-15-2005, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

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Speaking of which ...

In a live tourney last weekend in LV, a (really bad) dealer first shuffled in, then dealt a seat card to the 10 seat. I was the only one to notice it and had to point it out to him.

-Oz-

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What's a seat card?
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Old 08-15-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Almost final table, 2+2er makes a horrible fold

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Speaking of which ...

In a live tourney last weekend in LV, a (really bad) dealer first shuffled in, then dealt a seat card to the 10 seat. I was the only one to notice it and had to point it out to him.

-Oz-

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What's a seat card?

[/ QUOTE ]

Kids these days! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

In a B&M tourney, you get your seat assignment from randomly distibuted cards with your seat (table 3, seat 6, etc). They are usually very different than playing cards. In this case, it was a laminiated card with about 1/3 of an inch of laminate overlap, plain white on the back, and slightly smaller in both dimentions from a playing card. I'd think that just about any competent dealer would have felt this card in the deck while shuffling; surely they would have felt it (if not seen it) once it was dealt.

Dealers, feel free to correct me here if I'm wrong.

-Oz-
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