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Only about an orbit's worth of hands with villain but he's seen about half the flops. He has not been particularly aggressive at any point though he has taken down 2 pots by betting when checked to last to act.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 Hero (9 handed) converter Button ($129.90) SB ($315.50) Hero ($200) UTG ($367.65) UTG+1 ($300.65) MP1 ($206.60) MP2 ($198) MP3 ($226.50) CO ($268.50) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, SB folds. Flop: ($22) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $36</font>, Hero calls $18. I think I may be ahead here if he has something like a pair+straight and/or flush draw or I could be way behind if he's flopped a set or slightly less way behind if he's got two pair (66,76,87,98,T9,TT,77,88,99 are all possible as is something like AsTs). A straight is also possible but my unexplainable read is that he doesn't have one. Turn: ($94) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50. For all intents and purposes, this turn is a brick. There was a fairly long pause before he bet and I felt I still had a pretty decent chance of being ahead. River: ($194) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $104</font>, Hero calls $104 (All-In). Another brick on the river. I check planning on calling all-in feeling pretty good about having counterfeited any two pair he might have flopped. I think more worse hands bet than call hence the check. |
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and people say the minraise sucks.
isn't your standard line here call the flop minraise, lead the turn for 1/2 pot, fold to any further aggression? at least thats been my standard. on the river he has to see the counterfeit and he can't convince you that he has a K so I think he has 2 pair beat. |
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on the river he has to see the counterfeit and he can't convince you that he has a K so I think he has 2 pair beat. [/ QUOTE ] villian could easily think that hero's check means he won't call the all in and doesn't want to check it down. seems a little agressive for villian to push this river after miniraising the flop and betting less than the pot on the turn. Then again his river push can mean he figures he has his fish on the line after you called flop+turn. I won't say anything else further on the matter except that you're in a tough spot. |
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yeah river is definitely tough. this is the danger regarding flop minraises.
notice how turn bet was only 1/2 pot and river bet was only 1/2 pot but it put hero allin. the pot inflating powers of the flop minraise is just amazing. is villain capable of this river move with a missed draw? |
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is villain capable of this river move with a missed draw? [/ QUOTE ] Pretty tough to say after 10 hands. |
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I like the idea of folding to the miniraise. This is just about as bad a flop for aces as you can get. He's got a straight, set, two pair, or flush draw. There are just too many things to be worried about. You may have the best hand, but there's no way to feel confident in that. And you're OOP. If he's bluffing, he's bluffing, but this is a real marginal situation that I don't want to be in. Fold and wait for a better spot. Do you really want to risk your whole stack here?
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I like the idea of folding to the miniraise. This is just about as bad a flop for aces as you can get. He's got a straight, set, two pair, or flush draw. There are just too many things to be worried about. You may have the best hand, but there's no way to feel confident in that. And you're OOP. If he's bluffing, he's bluffing, but this is a real marginal situation that I don't want to be in. Fold and wait for a better spot. Do you really want to risk your whole stack here? [/ QUOTE ] "Waiting for a better spot" is meaningless in a cash game (unless its capped and several players have significantly more than the maximum buyin). I want to risk my whole stack any time its +EV to do so. |
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[ QUOTE ] I like the idea of folding to the miniraise. This is just about as bad a flop for aces as you can get. He's got a straight, set, two pair, or flush draw. There are just too many things to be worried about. You may have the best hand, but there's no way to feel confident in that. And you're OOP. If he's bluffing, he's bluffing, but this is a real marginal situation that I don't want to be in. Fold and wait for a better spot. Do you really want to risk your whole stack here? [/ QUOTE ] "Waiting for a better spot" is meaningless in a cash game (unless its capped and several players have significantly more than the maximum buyin). I want to risk my whole stack any time its +EV to do so. [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough. I was semantically not clear. I think this is probably neutral EV at best. I would fold and wait until I'm in a +EV situation. |
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[ QUOTE ] I like the idea of folding to the miniraise. This is just about as bad a flop for aces as you can get. He's got a straight, set, two pair, or flush draw. There are just too many things to be worried about. You may have the best hand, but there's no way to feel confident in that. And you're OOP. If he's bluffing, he's bluffing, but this is a real marginal situation that I don't want to be in. Fold and wait for a better spot. Do you really want to risk your whole stack here? [/ QUOTE ] "Waiting for a better spot" is meaningless in a cash game (unless its capped and several players have significantly more than the maximum buyin). I want to risk my whole stack any time its +EV to do so. [/ QUOTE ] And just to clarify "waiting for a better spot" means, to me at least, a spot where you are +EV. It's not clear at all to me that this is +EV. |
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And just to clarify "waiting for a better spot" means, to me at least, a spot where you are +EV. It's not clear at all to me that this is +EV. [/ QUOTE ] I concur that it isn't clear as to whether or not this is a +EV situation and I think its clear that I don't like the line I took. I guess calling the flop raise and leading the turn would've been a better way to handle it but I don't know that I'd be in any better of a spot there. If I get raised on the turn, I could easily be dumping the best hand and, as has been noted, a call on the turn puts me in a crummy spot on the river as well. Anyway, villain shows 66 and MHIG. Not well-played, but at least I won the pot. |
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