correcting dealer when not in hand, etiquette question

Last Month I played live poker for the first time at the MGM Grand, I couldn't believe the errors by dealers. I was playing 2/4 limit and twice I corrected incorrect calls by the dealers on showdowns on big pots(relative). I wasn't involved in either hand and the people involved didn't see the miss call either! The losers that were the original winners were not very happy both times. Should I just keep my mouth shut since I am not in the hand? Obviously I would correct it when I am in the hand. Just doesn't seem fair when the dealers misses a straight(and the person playing also).

Sorry for the long post, this is my first one!

[deacsoft]

It's largely considered by many places that it is both the responsibility of the dealers and the players to make sure that the game runs correctly (hand reading, pot awarding, mis-deals, etc). So I don't believe there is any problem with what you're doing. I also wouldn't worry about the feelings of a player who is low enough to get mad about not winning a pot that they were not supposed to win.

And, by the way, it wasn't that long of a post. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[MtDon]

Unfortunately, this happens too often.

My opinion is that it is your responsibility to point out errors when you see them. The best hand should win the showdown. "Cards speak" is the rule. The winner of a hand shouldn't be beat by a dealer's bad decision.

[autobet]

I'm from the school whoever turns face up the best hand you should win the pot. Dealer mistakes should not influence the outcome of a hand whenever possible. For example, if the dealer is about to burn and turn before the action is complete someone should stop them whether they are in the hand or not.

What is common in these situations is the rightful winner will realize they had the best hand or someone will tell them after the hand and then they start complaining. A floorman comes over. So now the game is stopped for 5 minutes while the dealer and players explain what happened. If it is the type of club where the rightful winner is awarded the pot, then you have to sit there while they figure out how much is in the pot.

By saying something you are keeping the game going, and making sure the right player got the pot.

[PITTM]

not a bad first post. the specific rule states that cards speak. when the hands are tabled, the best hand should get the money. the wrongful winner isnt "losing" anything. they are just give the money to its rightful owner. im all for correcting dealer errors.

rj

[Evan]

If the actual winner of the hand is worth more money to me I'd be more inclined to correct the dealer than if I were going to help the chips go to someone I could make less from.

[chesspain]

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If the actual winner of the hand is worth more money to me I'd be more inclined to correct the dealer than if I were going to help the chips go to someone I could make less from.

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Evan,

If this is a serious reply then I am disappointed in you.

[Evan]

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If the actual winner of the hand is worth more money to me I'd be more inclined to correct the dealer than if I were going to help the chips go to someone I could make less from.

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Evan,

If this is a serious reply then I am disappointed in you.

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It's the players' and dealer's responsibilties to understand who wins and loses. I don't think I'd be doing anything wrong to leave a situation that I had nothing to do with alone.

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It's the players' and dealer's responsibilties to understand who wins and loses. I don't think I'd be doing anything wrong to leave a situation that I had nothing to do with alone.

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I think by correcting the dealer, you minimize the chance of it happening again. On hand 1, the dealer makes a mistake on a hand you're not in. You don't correct it. Then, on hand 2, dealer makes the same mistake again. Except you should have won the pot. Now there is a big argument about who gets the pot. If you corrected the dealer in hand 1, (hopefully) the mistake in hand 2 doesn't happen.

BTW, last time I was in Vegas, I only saw two mistakes by the dealer. First was very minor. He said the winner had 2 pair Jacks and threes. Actually, the winner had Jacks and fives because the board paired. Not a big deal because the loser had nothing.

The second mistake was more serious. He thought someone had a straight flush and even called the floor man over to get the straight flush prize. Turned out that the guy only had a straight and the other person in the pot had a flush.

[goofball]

Yeah, always speak up if someone tables the best hand and is not pushed the pot.