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08-11-2005, 05:26 PM
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77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
UTG+1 posts blind UTG+1. End of first orbit with no specific reads, but 36 hands with Button shows VPIP 72.2, AF .47.
UTG, Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] PRE-FLOP Hero raises, Poster folds, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds. [10.0sb] Q: Does the presence of the poster make this a good raise? I find posters like to complete 1 bet but does this give drawing hands sufficient odds to come in suspecting a blind or two might complete? FLOP 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) SB checks, Hero... 
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#4
08-11-2005, 06:40 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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Slowplay, because the 2 hearts on the board make it cooler when you lose to a flush. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] You're obviously serious. You hate money. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#5
08-11-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
The extra sb isnt worth the UTG raise with 77
I hope hero bets flop...
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#6
08-11-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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Q: Does the presence of the poster make this a good raise? [/ QUOTE ] The poster would make me less likely to raise 77 UTG. Ideally you want to play this hand in a multi-way pot or short-handed. With two blinds, your odds of playing it short-handed have decreased so I'd just limp. [ QUOTE ] FLOP 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) SB checks, Hero... [/ QUOTE ] Since you raised preflop, you should definitely bet out here and pray for a raise. If you hadn't raised preflop, and no one else did either, you should bet.
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#7
08-11-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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[ QUOTE ] Q: Does the presence of the poster make this a good raise? [/ QUOTE ] The poster would make me less likely to raise 77 UTG. Ideally you want to play this hand in a multi-way pot or short-handed. With two blinds, your odds of playing it short-handed have decreased so I'd just limp. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... it felt peculiar when I did it but I'll raise UTG without a poster following me because I do get it short-handed most of the time, (UTG - I'm VPIP 9.43, PFR 3.77, 50% WSD so I fear I'm not playing enough hands here). In MP/LP, I expect to play it multiway, so I'm often limping this. As it went down, I think the raise succeeded but it made this particular post-flop play more difficult for me.
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#8
08-11-2005, 06:45 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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I'm VPIP 9.43, PFR 3.77, 50% WSD so I fear I'm not playing enough hands here). In MP/LP, I expect to play it multiway, so I'm often limping this. As it went down, I think the raise succeeded but it made this particular post-flop play more difficult for me. [/ QUOTE ] You'd have to shoot me to get me to play only 9% of my hands (and if I was, my PFR would be the same). I'd fall asleep from all that folding (and since you sound like you play 77 all the time, you're likely folding some huge winners since I can fill that 9% with way better hands). With a pocket pair, you want it really multiway or HU/3handed. RAISE this in MP/LP if you are the first in, limp if there are 2-3 limpers in front. Why do you find this flop so difficult to play? What else could make this better/worse? I can play this flop blind. -Adam
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#9
08-11-2005, 06:50 PM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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I'll raise UTG without a poster following me because I do get it short-handed most of the time, (UTG - I'm VPIP 9.43, PFR 3.77, 50% WSD) [/ QUOTE ] If I saw you raise, I'd only play AA/KK/QQ/AK, so yeah, I expect you to get this pretty shorthanded. [ QUOTE ] As it went down, I think the raise succeeded but it made this particular post-flop play more difficult for me. [/ QUOTE ] If this is the toughest postflop decision you've ever had, this must obviously be the only hand you've ever played. [ QUOTE ] In MP/LP, I expect to play it multiway, so I'm often limping this. [/ QUOTE ] It depends. If callers are in front, you call. If nobody else calls, you raise. -Adam
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#10
08-12-2005, 11:00 AM
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Re: 77 UTG, flopped bottom set - what\'s your plan?
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[ QUOTE ] I'll raise UTG without a poster following me because I do get it short-handed most of the time, (UTG - I'm VPIP 9.43, PFR 3.77, 50% WSD) [/ QUOTE ] If I saw you raise, I'd only play AA/KK/QQ/AK, so yeah, I expect you to get this pretty shorthanded. [ QUOTE ] As it went down, I think the raise succeeded but it made this particular post-flop play more difficult for me. [/ QUOTE ] If this is the toughest postflop decision you've ever had, this must obviously be the only hand you've ever played. [/ QUOTE ] Yep. Seriously, I can't find a case in PT like this one and it seriously felt odd and that's why I posted this to ask the question. What the 2+2ers are saying is intuitive and makes complete sense to me... I'm just trying to understand why I felt it was right enough to do it. I think my instinct was that it was right for that table or that session, but I'd never be able to prove that one way or the other. In any event, more of the hand to follow.
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