River Checkraise: wicked, weak, or standard?

surfdoc · #1 08-11-2005, 05:09 PM

I have been running good. Like really, really good which has me wondering when the other shoe will drop (I know it is coming). I try to question my play even when running good to avoid mistakes that get glossed over. I actually really liked this one and was wondering what the group thought.

Villian is numerically solid at 28/18/2 and may very well be one of you guys. BTW, I really miss a working converter.

Party Poker (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds. button raises, hero 3 bets, BB folds, button calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
hero bets, button calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
hero bets, button calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks. button bets, hero raises

comments?

Chobohoya · #2 08-11-2005, 05:19 PM

I like it.

TheMetetron · #3 08-11-2005, 05:21 PM

I'm not sure I like. He's checking through a lot on the river with a non-A pair that he would have called a river bet with. Even if he bets those, he certainly isn't calling a c/r from you after the way the hand was played. He may even drop a weak ace to a c/r.

You want to get the sure bet in on the river, not doing so would be disasterous. If he checks through or fails to call your river c/r a lot, you are giving up equity.

You are trying to pray on a good player's relentless ability to value bet, but they are definitely tossing their marginal holdings after the c/r, making it an unnecessary risk.

surfdoc · #4 08-11-2005, 06:35 PM

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You are trying to pray on a good player's relentless ability to value bet

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I think this is the key.

baronzeus · #5 08-11-2005, 06:36 PM

He has an A here about 90% of the time, or else he would fold the turn.

So the checkraise is fine.

joker122 · #6 08-11-2005, 06:50 PM

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He has an A here about 90% of the time, or else he would fold the turn.

So the checkraise is fine.

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90% is a gross overestimate, imo. he has a pair+draw combo here alot which he will call a bet with but check behind with.

baronzeus · #7 08-11-2005, 06:52 PM

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He has an A here about 90% of the time, or else he would fold the turn.

So the checkraise is fine.

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90% is a gross overestimate, imo. he has a pair+draw combo here alot which he will call a bet with but check behind with.

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He raised preflop too. I think 90% is an overestimation, but I think he will bet at least 75% when checked to.

joker122 · #8 08-11-2005, 07:02 PM

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He raised preflop too

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i missed that. i think that actually does swing this into a check.

JrJordan · #9 08-11-2005, 06:38 PM

Great move when you have a read, pretty bad when you don't. I refrain from this until I'm confident the player will bet when checked to. That being said, I think this is a good board to do it on. Most TAG button raising hands here have a hand worth betting if they were going to call a bet. An A or J will vlaue bet this, while a lower PP or KQ type hand is folding to a bet anyway.

joker122 · #10 08-11-2005, 06:39 PM

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BTW, I really miss a working converter.

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when i take the "Texas" out of the "Texas Holdem" phrase at the top of the hand history it works everytime for me.