a turn decision I'm unsure about

Aces McGee · #1 08-10-2005, 07:54 PM

Online SS game.

UTG raises. I don't have much of a read, but the one read I do have says that this doesn't have to be a big pair.

Folded to a CO poster who calls. I make a loose call in the SB with 5d4d. BB folds.

Qh 5h 3d.
I bet, hoping the flop missed both but that UTG will raise with overs to knock out the CO. He calls. CO raises, I 3 bet, UTG calls two more, CO calls.

Jd. I bet.

Misplayed on every street? How bad is betting the turn?

-McGee

baronzeus · #2 08-10-2005, 07:57 PM

I check-call the turn given your line.

There is some merit to check-calling the flop and check-raising the turn to knock UTG out.

If it comes back 2 to me on the flop I fold.

Aces McGee · #3 08-10-2005, 07:59 PM

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There is some merit to check-calling the flop and check-raising the turn to knock UTG out.

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If I knew that the CO would be the aggressor, this would work. But I can't really count on that, can I?

-McGee

baronzeus · #4 08-10-2005, 08:02 PM

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There is some merit to check-calling the flop and check-raising the turn to knock UTG out.

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If I knew that the CO would be the aggressor, this would work. But I can't really count on that, can I?

-McGee

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Right, that's why you check-call the flop I think.

Your hand may be best on the flop but since there's no way UTG is folding (given what he did in your line) you may as well just check the turn since you don't have nearly enough equity here to bet.

Aces McGee · #5 08-10-2005, 08:07 PM

I think it's important to get at least one of my opponents out of this pot as quickly as possible; on the flop, if I can. It's a lot more likely that UTG will raise than it is that he'll check the flop and the CO will bet, don't you think?

-McGee

baronzeus · #6 08-10-2005, 08:10 PM

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I think it's important to get at least one of my opponents out of this pot as quickly as possible; on the flop, if I can. It's a lot more likely that UTG will raise than it is that he'll check the flop and the CO will bet, don't you think?

-McGee

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I agree with this statement.

Given that it didn't work out though, I really don't like betting the turn when you'll likely have to c/f the river UI. At least open yourself up to a check/raise if you spike an out on the river.

It's also likely UTG is slowplaying some monster and doesn't want to blow away the field.

MrStretchie · #7 08-10-2005, 08:18 PM

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I think it's important to get at least one of my opponents out of this pot as quickly as possible; on the flop, if I can. It's a lot more likely that UTG will raise than it is that he'll check the flop and the CO will bet, don't you think?

-McGee

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The question is: once he's called the first bet, do you think it's likely enough that he's folding to two more, AND that the CO has a draw and not a queen that it's worth investing one, maybe 2 more SB on the flop than you need to?

Aces McGee · #8 08-10-2005, 08:31 PM

UTG had slightly less than 5BB going into this hand.

-McGee

Jake (The Snake) · #9 08-10-2005, 08:35 PM

3-betting the flop is spewing imo.

Aces McGee · #10 08-10-2005, 08:39 PM

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3-betting the flop is spewing imo.

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I'm beginning to think that way, too, though the CO *could* be on a flush draw or something. I was so focused on knocking UTG out that I failed to realize that the CO's raise was telling me I'd likely have to improve to win, and if I did improve, I wouldn't have to worry about UTG.

-McGee