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review: hand 59
Hand 59 -
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Button raises, </font> SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, UTG+1 raises,</font> MP2 calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls. Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets,</font> MP2 calls, Button folds, <font color="red">Hero raises,</font> UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds. River: (14 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) <font color="red">Hero bets, </font> UTG+1 calls. Final Pot: 16 BB I like PF/flop, although perhaps a 3-bet may be in order for the flop, don't know how to handle it myself on a paired board, and another opponents aggressive moves screams "trips!" for the turn, we made our flush, horray! we are vulnurable, higher lone clubs can re-draw. I'd like to bet, hoping to get raised, as our only realistic way of folding holders of the Q through 6 club holders. I imagine the holder of the A/K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not folding here. |
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Re: review: hand 59
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for the turn, we made our flush, horray! we are vulnurable, higher lone clubs can re-draw. I'd like to bet, hoping to get raised, as our only realistic way of folding holders of the Q through 6 club holders. I imagine the holder of the A/K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is not folding here. [/ QUOTE ] If I bet the turn here, my hand looks pretty obvious. I don't see trips raising here thus I check/raise for value. |
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Re: review: hand 59
I'm not sure I agree that UTG+1 isn't simply isolating the BB bettor. I think a PP defends this way also; especially if he picked up a club redraw on the turn.
I like the turn C/R, but now I'm concerned with the call and river scare card. In addition to the flush, there's now a small chance that our trips case has filled up. Sure can't feel good about his river call. I suppose you're still beating trips if he hasn't filled up (most of the time), but 25% of the time he's improved to a better flush. If he's pushing a PP 50% he has a club and I think 100% of the time if he's leading and calling the turn C/R. In practice, I know that I bet the river too but I can't find that bet when I'm inspecting the logic. |
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Re: review: hand 59
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I'm not sure I agree that UTG+1 isn't simply isolating the BB bettor. I think a PP defends this way also; especially if he picked up a club redraw on the turn. I like the turn C/R, but now I'm concerned with the call and river scare card. In addition to the flush, there's now a small chance that our trips case has filled up. Sure can't feel good about his river call. I suppose you're still beating trips if he hasn't filled up (most of the time), but 25% of the time he's improved to a better flush. If he's pushing a PP 50% he has a club and I think 100% of the time if he's leading and calling the turn C/R. In practice, I know that I bet the river too but I can't find that bet when I'm inspecting the logic. [/ QUOTE ] Certainly the river card is a bad one (although I'm not worried about someone filling up so much as a better flush). But it's far better to bet/fold than check/call here. A set or worse will clearly check behind but probably call a bet. A better flush is going to bet if you check. You will only be raised by a hand that beats you here. |
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Re: review: hand 59
Interesting. I'd rather see the showdown than get bluffed off best hand.
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Re: review: hand 59
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Interesting. I'd rather see the showdown than get bluffed off best hand. [/ QUOTE ] How often do you think the villian is bluff/raising on a 4 flush board? |
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Re: review: hand 59
Hero can do nothing but check/raise here and extract value while he is far ahead. Betting will induce calls and he will get less bets than if he check-raises.
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Re: review: hand 59
As a qualitative answer, I like the turn CR a lot. You maximize yr winnings. While betting and hoping to get raised MIGHT make a medium [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] fold, it might not, but more importantly you are likely not getting raised if you bet out. Forget about betting hoping to get raised to protect -- pump up the pot for value.
Here is what I'm thinking I would do differently: What about a check/call line on the river? You are likely folding a better hand, so this makes a value bet less of a good idea. You are likely getting raised by a better hand and the pot is too big to fold IMO. Plus (and here is the heart of my reasoning), I think that a check might induce a bluff by a non club hand who thinks you might fold or a percieved vaue bet by trip tens. The trade off: if it's checked through with a worse hand that would have called you missed one bet. I would be willing to live with that. |
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Re: review: hand 59
Bump because I want someone to argue with my river line.
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Re: review: hand 59
Greg: I don't like c/c simply because villains will call with TP or 2 pair but they will check behind if bet to them. And it's very easy to fold to a raise here.
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