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08-08-2005, 03:13 AM
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Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
No reads on UTG. Played with UTG+1 a couple times.. haven't seen him do anything out of line. What range of hands do you put these fellas on? Shorties wanna ride wit' me?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter CO (t840) Hero (t930) SB (t1695) BB (t960) UTG (t975) UTG+1 (t675) UTG+2 (t720) MP1 (t1255) MP2 (t975) MP3 (t975) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t125, UTG+1 Pushes (t675)</font>, <font color="#666666"> like 80 folds </font> , Hero... 
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#2
08-08-2005, 03:23 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
Well, UTG could have AA-99, AK, AKs-AJs (or he could be more of a donkey than I'm giving him credit for). UTG+1, especially knowing him to be pretty solid...you've gotta put him on no WORSE than JJ or AK. Tough fold, but probably a fold. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd bet you're out there against AK and KK.
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#3
08-08-2005, 03:47 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
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UTG+1, especially knowing him to be pretty solid...you've gotta put him on no WORSE than JJ or AK [/ QUOTE ] I agree, pretty much (maybe TT). Thing is, I can't put him on much better than those hands either. I feel like he'd raise smaller with AA and maybe KK too to get more value. His push seems like he wants people out.
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#4
08-08-2005, 04:04 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
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[ QUOTE ] UTG+1, especially knowing him to be pretty solid...you've gotta put him on no WORSE than JJ or AK [/ QUOTE ] I agree, pretty much (maybe TT). Thing is, I can't put him on much better than those hands either. I feel like he'd raise smaller with AA and maybe KK too to get more value. His push seems like he wants people out. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah but cmon, if hes any good, he understands that most people at the table arent huge morons. When someone has 650 chips and they reraise to like 350, then we know they have something. I would NEVER make any other raise in that spot with any hand that Im going to play, aside from moving allin.
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#5
08-08-2005, 04:07 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
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Yeah but cmon, if hes any good, he understands that most people at the table arent huge morons. When someone has 650 chips and they reraise to like 350, then we know they have something. I would NEVER make any other raise in that spot with any hand that Im going to play, aside from moving allin. [/ QUOTE ] I tend to agree with this. At the $215 level i think people know better than to make a bet this fishy. Not that they wont, i just wouldnt count out AA/KK because they didnt bet big enough.
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08-08-2005, 04:15 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah but cmon, if hes any good, he understands that most people at the table arent huge morons. When someone has 650 chips and they reraise to like 350, then we know they have something. I would NEVER make any other raise in that spot with any hand that Im going to play, aside from moving allin. [/ QUOTE ] I tend to agree with this. At the $215 level i think people know better than to make a bet this fishy. Not that they wont, i just wouldnt count out AA/KK because they didnt bet big enough. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah of course there are some players here who would raise less with AA/KK, but I think its pretty stupid. Especially since you play with the same players often, and thus everytime you just move allin in such spots they know its much less likely that you have AA-KK. Bascially if the guy moved allin for 900, then Id think its a bit less likely he has AA-KK (Although I almost always just move allin for 900 with AA-KK in that spot). However when he has just 650, theres no way Im thinking that its very unlikely he has AA-KK
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#8
08-08-2005, 03:47 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
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fold, not close. [/ QUOTE ] well, it certainly isnt this clearcut.. it IS close though, i honestly wouldnt be surprised to see 99 and AQ showdown. i fold though MOST times.. holla
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#9
08-08-2005, 03:27 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
You have a guy who raises rather large UTG (Danger!) and the guy right after him pushes (DANGER!) and even if you are calling, the UTG raiser can still join the party putting Queens in a multiway pot (DANGER!!!).
Silently curse the world and fold.
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#10
08-08-2005, 03:43 AM
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Re: Rough Ride with the Ladies in a $215
I don't really want to put either of them on AA.
AK or pockets lower than QQ seem real likely for UTG+1 and the extra big raise from UTG also looks like AK or JJ or TT or something. I don't really like UTG+1 for KK either. Seems like with his stack he would be willing to chance some extra callers with it. Two AKs would sure be sweet, and AK and JJ would be pretty sweet too.
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