Thin Value Bet.

goofball · #1 08-07-2005, 03:27 AM

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Surfbullet · #2 08-07-2005, 03:39 AM

Bet the river.

While it's possible BB has a scared Q2 or A9, this is a bet. Worse 9's, 5's, PP's, a diamond draw that picked up a pair, and sometimes A-hi (busted FD) will call.

Surf

sammy_g · #3 08-07-2005, 03:07 PM

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While it's possible BB has a scared Q2 or A9, this is a bet. Worse 9's, 5's, PP's, a diamond draw that picked up a pair, and sometimes A-hi (busted FD) will call.

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I'm not sure how many of these hands bet the flop when the pot is 4 handed. Most 5/10 players are too passive for that.

If BB had check/called every street or if goofball has a read that he is aggressive, then I agree this is a bet.

Surfbullet · #4 08-07-2005, 07:02 PM

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While it's possible BB has a scared Q2 or A9, this is a bet. Worse 9's, 5's, PP's, a diamond draw that picked up a pair, and sometimes A-hi (busted FD) will call.

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I'm not sure how many of these hands bet the flop when the pot is 4 handed. Most 5/10 players are too passive for that.

If BB had check/called every street or if goofball has a read that he is aggressive, then I agree this is a bet.

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This is a good point. If he's not going to bet these types of hands I don't think hero should be raising the flop, however. I assumed his flop raise meant that he figured himself to be ahead of villains flop donking standards - rare is the player who will donk draws but not made hands, in my experience.

Surf

wheelz · #5 08-07-2005, 03:46 AM

pfft... thin... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Is this standard preflop? I hardly ever limp anymore..

joker122 · #6 08-07-2005, 03:49 AM

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Is this standard preflop? I hardly ever limp anymore..

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i'd limp here and raise on the button. it might be a raise in the CO as well - not sure.

dave44 · #7 08-07-2005, 02:44 PM

I use the limper rather than my position to decide. If he's tight or tough to goes to showdown a lot, I'll just limp. Otherwise raise, and raise as a default.

I don't really see a reason to raise on the button, but not in the CO.

joker122 · #8 08-07-2005, 02:48 PM

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I don't really see a reason to raise on the button, but not in the CO.

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huh?

dave44 · #9 08-07-2005, 04:07 PM

My range of hands for raising a limper from the CO and raising a limper from the button are not significantly different unless the button is very loose. If I'm going to play a hand like J9s from the CO I'd like to raise to knock the button off hands like KT and gain position and initiative for the hand.

goofball · #10 08-07-2005, 09:25 AM

yeah, a fraction of a second before i checked i thoguht to myself that a check was retarded, but by the time the thought had finished i had already done it. Thread over.