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Old 08-05-2005, 06:14 PM
Guy McSucker Guy McSucker is offline
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Default You don\'t fold these, do you?

I open raise KQo UTG. Next guy cold calls. He's way too loose. Button 3-bets. He's kind of tight. Folded to me, I call, next guy calls.

Flop: K 8 5 with two clubs of which I have none.

I check, next guy checks, button bets, I check-raise, they both call.

Turn: offsuit 9. I bet, they both call.

River: offsuit 5. I bet, next guy raises, button cold calls.

Every fibre of my being is screaming at me to fold because it's just so bloody obvious the raiser has some crappy hand with a 5 in it. But I'm getting 16-1 here. On the other hand, the only reason I'm getting 16-1 is because the preflop 3-bettor is still in there. Hmmm.

So?

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Old 08-05-2005, 06:32 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

hmm if the button is tight you are splitting with him at best. He might have AK. This is without even considering the other dude.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily.
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

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i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily.

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why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise?
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Old 08-05-2005, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

Call every time. Donkbet like this could be a pair of 2's.
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Old 08-07-2005, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

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i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily.

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why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise?

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because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv.
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Old 08-07-2005, 11:20 PM
baronzeus baronzeus is offline
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

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i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily.

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why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise?

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because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv.

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This is QQ JJ and TT too if Button has a hard time getting rid of good hands. Maybe AA too.
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Old 08-07-2005, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

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i dont fold many rivers but i can get away from this one pretty easily.

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why is that? is it just because of that particular river card + the raise?

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because the button 3bet pf and called 2 on the riv.

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This is QQ JJ and TT too if Button has a hard time getting rid of good hands. Maybe AA too.

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Button 3-bets. He's kind of tight

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that would invalidate this statement.

regardless, its quite a parlay to have both of these guys beat here given the action.
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Old 08-08-2005, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

When I'm playing good I'm folding and when I'm not I'm calling. Folding is the correct play. It's not a big deal if you call...but folding will save you money in the long run.
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Old 08-08-2005, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: You don\'t fold these, do you?

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its quite a parlay to have both of these guys beat here given the action.

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exactly...getting 16-1 that you have two players beat is a huge difference than getting 16-1 that you have one player beat.
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