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08-01-2005, 02:34 PM
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Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
Random rant. I don't usually complain about anything at the poker table and am usually in very good spirits, but this frustrated me.
To make a long story short, I was playing a hand at Foxwoods 20/40 where I limped in in the cutoff with a small suited connector behind like 5 other limpers. The pot ended up being raised by the button, and we went to the flop 7 handed for a raised pot. I flopped open ended but there was a flush draw on the board. The flop ends up being capped, with all seven players in, two bets go in on the turn without any folds, and on the river I hit a straight that also made a flush possible. My straight was the second nut straight, but after the river was checked all the way to me I found a river value bet. Everyone called. So, I quickly say "I have a straight but I don't have the diamonds" and expose my hand. No one responds for about five seconds. I start getting really excited thinking I'm about to drag this ridiculous 35 BB pot, and actually stand up and say "I would appreciate it is no one slow rolled me." A few people muck their hands, and about 15-20 seconds pass before a guy on my right turns over his hand, exposing the higher straight (which was a gutshot and frankly I wasn't expecting to see it). I accused him of slow-rolling and said that that was very poor etiquette. His response was that "he was waiting for someone to show diamonds." Why is it that everyone is so afraid to expose a loser that they are so inconsiderate of the others at the table. So, was I justified in my claim this guy was slow-rolling or should I just shut up? Remember, this was a 35BB pot. Edit: Clarified that I exposed my hand first. 
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#3
08-01-2005, 02:38 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
I was. I turned my cards over very quickly and announced my hand. I hopefully made that clear in the original post.
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#4
08-01-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
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I was. I turned my cards over very quickly and announced my hand. I hopefully made that clear in the original post. [/ QUOTE ] No you didn't. And the guy on your right, by custom, is the last person to show his hand. It starts with you and proceedes left.
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#5
08-01-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
I realize that this is true. But does anyone else not agree that people obsessively holding on to their hands to the very last moment when they can officially turn over their hand, while within the rules, is somewhat against the spirit/etiquette of the game.
The fact that it is a 35BB pot and that I lost of course matter. My thought is that the fact the pot was so large should encourage players to be a little bit more straightforward and upfront and not be obnoxious about exposing their hands. FWIW, this player had been very slow to reveal his hand consistently throughout the night.
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#6
08-01-2005, 06:03 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
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The fact that it is a 35BB pot and that I lost of course matter. [/ QUOTE ] Of course. Get over it. b
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#7
08-01-2005, 06:44 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
It's frustrating when it takes so long for a player to turn over his winning hand, but it happens. If the guy was a relatively slow roller it shouldn't have been a surprise. By the rules, he was entitled to wait to be the last one to expose his hand.
FWIW, I find that the size of the pot is directly proportional to the level of obnoxiousness of players prone towards that type of behavior. Your best defense is to not count your chickens before they muck. And if you feel the guy slowrolled you, just make a mental note of it so it's not a surprise next time. If you would feel better by doing it to him if there is an opporutnity at a later time in the game, or at a later date, then go ahead and give him a taste of his own medicine. If the opporutunity does not arise, no biggie. Casino poker brings out the worst in people.
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#8
08-03-2005, 09:26 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
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I realize that this is true. But does anyone else not agree that people obsessively holding on to their hands to the very last moment when they can officially turn over their hand, while within the rules, is somewhat against the spirit/etiquette of the game. The fact that it is a 35BB pot and that I lost of course matter. My thought is that the fact the pot was so large should encourage players to be a little bit more straightforward and upfront and not be obnoxious about exposing their hands. FWIW, this player had been very slow to reveal his hand consistently throughout the night. [/ QUOTE ] Sounds to me like your opponent just wasn't nearly as excited to win the pot as you were. Maybe a diffrence of experience levels is to blame here.
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#9
08-01-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
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[ QUOTE ] I was. I turned my cards over very quickly and announced my hand. I hopefully made that clear in the original post. [/ QUOTE ] No you didn't. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. He should have said something like, "Everyone called. So, I quickly say "I have a straight but I don't have the diamonds" and expose my hand." Oh wait... And hey W -- I'd be a little annoyed too. But more annoyed that I lost the pot, not about the slow roll.
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#10
08-01-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: Is this Slow-Rolling or am I a Chump?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I was. I turned my cards over very quickly and announced my hand. I hopefully made that clear in the original post. [/ QUOTE ] No you didn't. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. He should have said something like, "Everyone called. So, I quickly say "I have a straight but I don't have the diamonds" and expose my hand." Oh wait... [/ QUOTE ] Edit: Clarified that I exposed my hand first. Edited by W. Deranged (08/01/05 11:45 AM) Right, oh wait...
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