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#1
08-01-2005, 03:15 AM
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How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
your holding QQ or KK on the button and the board is ragged but with 2 suited..
Your opponant has a flush draw and has checked-raised the flop. Do you.. Call the raise here or re-raise him making him pay to much for it? The turn card is a brick... Your opponant bets out. Do you raise him or just call? If he checks here and you bet, when he re-raises his own draw do you go ahead and re-raise him back or just call and hope he doesnt catch. These situation has cost me more money than any other. I have been calling the flop raise to make sure the turn is safe then making them pay as much as I can on the turn with one card to come. Unfortunately, they dont go away and are hitting often enough to cripple my bankroll. Should I just start running away when the flop has 2 suited and players start maxing the pot even though I have the best hand at that time? 
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#2
08-01-2005, 03:28 AM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
I will sometimes call a c/r on the flop and raise the turn if the hand is HU, but normally like to be in control and just pump the pot with bets. If there are other players in the hand and I will 3 bet the flop rather than calling/raising the turn 99% of the time.
Play a lower limit if the swings are killing your bankroll.
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#3
08-01-2005, 04:37 AM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
If you KNOW he's on a flush draw, nothing you do can dissuade from chasing a flush draw. If you check/call, you let him see if he can get lucky for cheap, if you raise, you give him the odds he needs to chase.
BUT-- if you keep building the pot, and you are absolutely certain that he's only got a flush draw, even if the flop is 2-suited, 65% of the time, he will NOT make his hand. It's better to lose sometimes and win most times, right?
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#4
08-01-2005, 04:40 AM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
Fundamental theorem dude.
If he flips the 2 suits face up, even with the A, I'm capping every street unless the flush hits. Every bet that you put in while he's drawing is +EV. Period.
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#5
08-01-2005, 05:19 AM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
Thanks. Raising as many streets as possable is what I've been doing against the flush draws. About half the time they will raise thier own draws and the other half they are checking and calling. Unfortunately, My sample says they getting there better than 75% of the time against me over 12000 hands. This situation is what PT says is killing my bankroll.
Guess I'll just continue to swear at my monitor and wonder why I'm losing when the math says I should not be.
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#6
08-01-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
[ QUOTE ]
Unfortunately, My sample says they getting there better than 75% of the time against me over 12000 hands. This situation is what PT says is killing my bankroll. Guess I'll just continue to swear at my monitor and wonder why I'm losing when the math says I should not be. [/ QUOTE ] Very doubtful. The PT stats are not accurate because most of the time, the missed flush draws will fold for one bet on the river, and you (and PT) will never know what they had.
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#7
08-01-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks. Raising as many streets as possable is what I've been doing against the flush draws. About half the time they will raise thier own draws and the other half they are checking and calling. Unfortunately, My sample says they getting there better than 75% of the time against me over 12000 hands. This situation is what PT says is killing my bankroll. [/ QUOTE ] You have to rememeber...these are only the cards that you are seeing at showdown. 75 percent of the time they are showing down because they have the flush, the other 25, they probably had a piece of the board as well as a busted flush. But if u could see every hand against u, before they folded...it would actually probably be back down to normal figures, of 65/35...where they come in 35 percent of the time. Also, I know you are on a downswing, but 200bb in one day is definitly cause for concern, as if u are playing well I dont think that is possible unless u are just getting thrashed and thrashed and thrashed at the table. You might be to aggressive in the wrong spots, not folding, etc.
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#8
08-01-2005, 06:07 AM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
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Fundamental theorem dude. If he flips the 2 suits face up, even with the A, I'm capping every street unless the flush hits. Every bet that you put in while he's drawing is +EV. Period. [/ QUOTE ]
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#9
08-01-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
Lonhro gets the award for random newbie account with a cool name and avatar that very few people will ever be able to identify.
That dude could run...
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#10
08-01-2005, 04:42 PM
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Re: How do you play big pairs against a flush draw?
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Fundamental theorem dude. If he flips the 2 suits face up, even with the A, I'm capping every street unless the flush hits. Every bet that you put in while he's drawing is +EV. Period. [/ QUOTE ] I agree if it's HU. In multiway pots, I take my raise on the turn/river. Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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