AQ in SB with a raise UTG

NYCNative · #1 07-31-2005, 08:21 AM

Villain had a higher PFR% than anyone at the table so in tournament parlance, I defended my blinds with this strong-but-dangerous-out-of-position hand resolute on being careful.

The flop was an action flop, as they say, either really good for my holdings or incredibly bad.

I specifically didn't want to lead the flop because I thought a check-raise here would get me more information, I would get it more quickly and it would cost me less now than if the hand went on.

Is this a good line to take in such a situation?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($126.95)
UTG ($123.75)
UTG+1 ($105)
MP1 ($186.10)
MP2 ($103.10)
MP3 ($83.60)
CO ($12.95)
Button ($55.55)
Hero ($299.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $3.5, 6 folds, Hero calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.5, Hero raises to $10, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $21.50

jkkkk · #2 07-31-2005, 08:42 AM

Flop is standard, pre-flop really depends how high his aggression factor was. Did you see him raising UTG with hands dominated by AQo?

NYCNative · #3 07-31-2005, 08:48 AM

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Flop is standard, pre-flop really depends how high his aggression factor was. Did you see him raising UTG with hands dominated by AQo?

[/ QUOTE ]He was very aggressive. As I said above, highest PFR% at the table. Sure I could see him make the move with AK (and Aces or Kings), but I could also see him make the move with AJ or, most importantly with this flop, Queens on down, making this flop a bigger nightmare for him than me by far.

amoeba · #4 07-31-2005, 11:14 AM

I check call down if he is aggressive.

swolfe · #5 07-31-2005, 12:57 PM

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I check call down if he is aggressive.

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i agree. if he doesn't have AK beat, he's going to fold to your raise. if you call and he has QQ, he'll convince himself that he needs to fire again on the turn, and you'll get more money out of him.

AgentBishop · #6 07-31-2005, 02:03 PM

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I check call down if he is aggressive.

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i agree. if he doesn't have AK beat, he's going to fold to your raise. if you call and he has QQ, he'll convince himself that he needs to fire again on the turn, and you'll get more money out of him.

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So, if you don't have a read on villian then raise to define your hand and if your read for him is that he is aggressive then check call him down so he pays you off?

Mercman572 · #7 07-31-2005, 03:40 PM

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I check call down if he is aggressive.

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i agree. if he doesn't have AK beat, he's going to fold to your raise. if you call and he has QQ, he'll convince himself that he needs to fire again on the turn, and you'll get more money out of him.

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i'm not sure yet if I like this. If checked to, would villain possibly check AK or better and bet any other holding? If so I think thats a great plan. If he's just as likely to bet it out any set or AK (which I kind of doubt) when checked to you have no way of figuring where you're at and might have to face calling very large amounts on all three streets not knowing whether you're facing: 1 a bluff in response to weakness, 2 value bets from better hands, and 3 a "value" bet from worse hands.

NYCNative · #8 07-31-2005, 04:06 PM

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i agree. if he doesn't have AK beat, he's going to fold to your raise. if you call and he has QQ, he'll convince himself that he needs to fire again on the turn, and you'll get more money out of him.

[/ QUOTE ]Or he hits his straight or set because I play it passively. Ir he bets his top two with enough on the turn plus river where I have a decision to make, one for a lot more chips than the CR cost me on the flop. See, that's what UI didn't want to become - a calling station. Sometimes calling villain down is the right move, but if I'd rather know where I stand (or at least have a better idea) than pay off AK here because he *could* have a lesser holding (or let him his his backdoor straight or soemthing).

swolfe · #9 07-31-2005, 04:24 PM

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i agree. if he doesn't have AK beat, he's going to fold to your raise. if you call and he has QQ, he'll convince himself that he needs to fire again on the turn, and you'll get more money out of him.

[/ QUOTE ]Or he hits his straight or set because I play it passively. Ir he bets his top two with enough on the turn plus river where I have a decision to make, one for a lot more chips than the CR cost me on the flop. See, that's what UI didn't want to become - a calling station. Sometimes calling villain down is the right move, but if I'd rather know where I stand (or at least have a better idea) than pay off AK here because he *could* have a lesser holding (or let him his his backdoor straight or soemthing).

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check/call flop, check/call turn would cost about the same as your flop check-raise and would likely get you a free showdown on the river unless you're behind.

NYCNative · #10 07-31-2005, 04:37 PM

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check/call flop, check/call turn would cost about the same as your flop check-raise and would likely get you a free showdown on the river unless you're behind.

[/ QUOTE ]Not in a game where most of the villains are "bet pot" donks. And this disregards the fact that my passive play might have allowed villain to catch something better than me when I was ahead before. And it disregards that his lead bet could have been a continuation bet on a complete disaster of a flop for his smaller PP. I would have felt sick if he caught his set after I played it so passively, or any kind of runner-runner disaster.