UNBELIEVABLE!!! Best Live Poker Move EVER!!

[michiganlaw]

Just got back from Vegas, playing mostly at the Imperial Palace due to the comps. The following came up in the $100 max $1/$2 No Limit game.

It's down to heads up action after the flop; action between Player 1 and Player 2. River card brings a third diamond for a potential flush. Player 1 is first to act on fifth street and instantly pushes all in. Player 2 calls time, and says to Player 1 "you like your flush, eh?" Player 2 then declares he "IS NOT MUCKING." Player 2 proceeds to expose his hole cards to Player 1...Player 2 has a baby flush and is worried about a higher flush. After seeing Player 2's flush, and BEFORE Player 2 calls the all in bet, Player 1 exposes his hole cards and shows top two pair. Seeing Player 1's hole cards, Player 2 instantly calls and claims the pot is his with the flush.

Player 1 jumps up and screams for the floor. Player 1 argues emphatically that Player 2's hand is dead because he exposed his cards. Player 1 argues the hand is live and that exposing cards is perfectly fine, heads up, in non-tournament play.

I'll tell you how the floor ruled, following a few friendly comments. Since I think this is one of the best live poker moves I've seen, I think you can venture a wager as to how the floor ruled!

[Percula]

Both hands are live, push the pot to the flush.

[The_Missile]

When a few of us play, although clearly not in a true B&M setting, we use "flipping for reaction all the time" where the player who is potentially calling an all-in flips over his hand to see for a reaction. We've once had a player turn over his hand even though the potentiall caller clearly stated he was not mucking, and we allowed the player who flipped for a reaction to take down the pot seeing that he had won.

[SossMan]

almost every room out there allows you to expose your cards if it's heads up in a cash game, as the action doesn't affect any third party. However, be careful, I have played in a few rooms who don't make a distinction between cash game rules and tourney rules.

[tpir90036]

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the hand is live and that exposing cards is perfectly fine, heads up, in non-tournament play.

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[djoyce003]

i really hate people doing this....i've never played nl in a B&M but I think if I push, everytime i'll just get up from the table and move away till he decides what to do.

[W. Deranged]

For what it's worth, I think this is angle-shooting of the worst kind which is very much against the spirit and the etiquette of the game. Some may disagree, but I think that this kind of "great move" should generally be discouraged. For that reason, I actually wish most places would declare intentionally exposed hands dead just to keep people from pulling annoying stuff like this.

I agree that this kind of move is BS. But, I actually like these types of players. They're usually not too good at poker and have to resort to this type of stuff to win. It sounds kind of harsh, but when you sit down in a casino you've got to be aware of this kind of garbage.

[WillyTrailer]

I don't think i mind this at all.

Also, Doyle indicates that he would do this in a certain situation when he has aces and someone moves in on him on the flop or after to see if he can get a reaction out of the guy in Super System.

If the rules change then it's no good, but this guy is playing within the rules.

Also, player 1 is an idiot if player 2 clearly stated that he is not mucking.

-WT

[TheBusiness]

I haven't read the other posts yet, so maybe I am just repeating, but I think:

1) Player 2 is a jackass for pulling this kind of cheap tactic, which, in my opinion, is bad etiquette and discourages people from going to casinos to play live games.

2) The floor ruled in Player 2's favor anyway, because technically he did nothing against the rules in most casinos. Especially because he clearly stated that he was not mucking his hand, it is Player 1's own fault for exposing his cards. In cash games at most casinos, exposed hands are not automatically dead, and therefore player 2 can still act after exposing his cards.