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Old 07-27-2005, 09:41 AM
golfboy7 golfboy7 is offline
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Hello everyone,

I started a thread which is still on the main page of the 'small stakes' forum under limit holdem. The thread is entitled STREAKY....

anyway, I was pointed here in this direction because it's a 1/2 game that I 've been having problems with and therefore, here's the post, but rather than copying my post over there, I'll just point you in that direction so you can read about my problems.

I've been thinking recently, that I should reread some of my poker books that I have.

But I'm interested in what you folks think about how one can improve their post flop play.

I'm pretty simple really, if i'm playing low stakes NL holdem like the $25 tables at party, I will usually see more flops with more variety in my starting cards because of the large implied odds of NL holdem. If I have a big hand I'm raising pre flop, but usually, since people tend to call too much at the lower limits, I'll play some hands like AJ offsuit or KJ offsuit like they are drawing hands and just call in to see a flop. If I hit, I'll play, but if not, it's rare I'll call a bet on the flop even tosee a turn card. ( this sentence is true for my 1/2 game too)

So I guess people have classified me over there at the small stakes forum as being WEAK/Tight. The have made this assumption after seeing a couple hand examples and although I don't totally agree with them, there are times where I certainly would.

Wondering what your thoughts are as too the most effective way to improve my post flop play.

Keep in mind I have been playing serious poker for about 2 years now, we have a yearly trip to vegas for 7 days of non-stop poker during which I play all limits (well nothing higher than 8/16 at bellagio). I feel like I have a solid grasp on the concepts of the game but as of late, my luck has turned south.
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Old 07-27-2005, 09:49 AM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

Post hands, read hands, respond to hands.
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Old 07-27-2005, 09:52 AM
benkath1 benkath1 is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

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Post hands, read hands, respond to hands.

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And re reading/studying your books ain't a bad idea either.
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Old 07-27-2005, 09:56 AM
Fantam Fantam is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

And are you concentrating on limit play or no limit ?

Because as I am sure you are aware, there is a big difference between these two structures.
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Old 07-27-2005, 09:58 AM
golfboy7 golfboy7 is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

my concentration would be on improving my post flop limit play, i only play low limit NL holdem when I get fed up with the suckouts at low limit holdem
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:24 AM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
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my concentration would be on improving my post flop limit play, i only play low limit NL holdem when I get fed up with the suckouts at low limit holdem

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This attitude is -EV. You should relish the suckouts, becasue they are Sklansky Bucks in your pocket.
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:44 PM
OrianasDaad OrianasDaad is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

Others have already mentioned:
-post hands
-respond to posted hands (grunching)
-read books

I've recently been re-introduced to some concepts (during my own 400BB downswing) that might prove to be useful for improving your post-flop play.

-Learn how to read hands.
-Study your opponents' play (using PT and hand-history files)
-Study your own play.
-Practice good table & seat selection.
-Learn that luck is just a flea on your butt, in the long run.
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:07 PM
Boltsfan1992 Boltsfan1992 is offline
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Default Re: improving post flop play

I've started a huge downswing as well (200BB, nothing I know, but a first for me).

So, after each session in Pokertracker, I look at the hands that I knew I misplayed wondering how to change.

I'm re-reading SSHE again, concentrating on the post-flop chapters.

I am not multitabling until I start playing better. If the downswing continues, so be it, but I know I'm not playing my best right now.

PB
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:09 PM
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Post your hand advice to new threads. You can read SSH a million times, but posting bad advice is a better way to learn.
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