HOw should I have fixed this?

jstnrgrs · #1 07-26-2005, 09:34 PM

So I was dealing a hand in my after work game today, and I must have lost my mind. When it came time to deal the flop, instead of burning one card and turning three, I burned one then turned one then burned one then turned one then burned one then turned one. I don't know what I was thinking, but I was wondering what is the proper procedure in this situation?

tyler_cracker · #2 07-26-2005, 10:01 PM

Any time a flop is screwed up, what i've seen done (and what i think is the fairest) is to take all the cards back *except* the first burn (since there was nothing wrong with your first burn), reshuffle, then redeal the flop.

Hopefully, there was no action after your crazy flop. If there was action, i'm not really sure what to do.

funplyr9 · #3 07-26-2005, 10:02 PM

start by apologizing, lol
i think table consensus is important(for the players in the hand that is)also, if you had the cards down neatly you could have always backed up , but then some burn cards would be revealed. all in all i think that is the human error part of home games, eveb casinos have them. maybe someone here deals holdem as a pro and can help
what happened in the end ? did they cut ur balls off ?
lol

jstnrgrs · #4 07-26-2005, 10:15 PM

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start by apologizing, lol
i think table consensus is important(for the players in the hand that is)also, if you had the cards down neatly you could have always backed up , but then some burn cards would be revealed. all in all i think that is the human error part of home games, eveb casinos have them. maybe someone here deals holdem as a pro and can help
what happened in the end ? did they cut ur balls off ?
lol

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Well, this is a $5 buy in SNG, so no one could really get that upset. I sugested backing up and using what should have been the correct flop, and reshuffling the remaining cards for the turn and river.
No one wanted to do this however (and I was obviously in no position to insist that this is how it should be done), so the other players decided to refund everyone's money from the hand (even the small blind who had folded), and re shuffle and start the hand over. As it turns out, the new hand played much the way that the origional hand would have, so everyone was happy, but I think this was a pretty poor solution to my error.

SamIAm · #5 07-27-2005, 12:36 AM

I think you can treat this as an exposed card. If the deck was {a,b,c,d,e,f,...}, you burned {a,c,e} and showed {b,d,f}. You were supposed to burn a (Good work. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) and show {b,c,d}. All that's happened is that you exposed f and put d face-down.

You've been keeping your burns seperate, like a good dealer should, right? Then it'll be no problem to retrieve d and let f be the burn for the turn (as is proper procedure for an exposed card).
-Sam

Lottery Larry · #6 07-27-2005, 09:45 AM

Too many exposed cards, with action that is influenced on the flop.

Shuffle the cards back up (not the first burn card), BURN ANOTHER CARD, and deal the flop as you normally would

SamIAm · #7 07-27-2005, 11:52 AM

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Too many exposed cards, with action that is influenced on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]What are you talking about? There's 1 exposed card, and no action (I assume. If players acted before you caught the mistake, this is different. And awful.)
-Sam

Lottery Larry · #8 07-27-2005, 03:53 PM

two cards exposed- you forgot about "e" which should have been an unexposed burn card.

So now, I know an extra burn card and the turn card, based on your scenario of just subbing cards back to the normal order.

Or did I misunderstand you?

SamIAm · #9 07-27-2005, 05:40 PM

I'm saying go into the muck and grab "c", if you really don't believe in a shuffled deck. Now you've shown {a,b,c}, just like you're supposed to. The only problem is that you've shown "f" as well, which would have been the turn. Instead, treat it as an exposed card. The only card seen which shouldn't have been was "f".

On the other hand, I play at a home game where we believe in randomness. If you were to shuffle the deck in the middle of the deal, I don't think you're making it LESS random. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] There's no card that's "supposed" to be the turn and river. Just choose them at random, even if that means you accidently use a (fair) silly burning style.
-Sam

bdypdx · #10 07-29-2005, 01:46 PM

Yeah that was a goofy way to flop it. If this had happened in my home game everyone would have laughed about it and played on. Jeez! You gave 'em a random flop which is all that really matters.

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a $5 buy in SNG

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You guys take this real seriously? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]