I don't understand MTTs

[Jonathan]

Here are two hands from a Pokerstars satellite, 500FPP, top
nine finishers win an entry to the weekend satellite to WCOOP #15 (worth 5000 FPP).

The preflop (and postflop) play completely baffles me. I'd
appreciate it if you took a look at this and explain to me
what these people might be thinking. And what is the proper
line to take. Thanks.
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First hand of tournament:

PokerStars Game #2174790649: Tournament #10403283, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/07/24 - 08:00:00 (ET)
Table '10403283 8' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gambler381 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Shabana (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Final Table2 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: drugHabit (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: dominos1 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: firewall82 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Spectrum359 (1500 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind 10
Shabana: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Ks]
Final Table2: folds
drugHabit: raises 20 to 40
dominos1: calls 40
firewall82: folds
GB2005 is connected
Spectrum359: calls 40
gambler381: folds
Hero: raises 100 to 140
Shabana: folds
drugHabit: calls 100
dominos1: calls 100
Spectrum359: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [5d 8h 6h]
Hero: bets 500
drugHabit: calls 500
dominos1: raises 860 to 1360 and is all-in
Spectrum359: calls 1360 and is all-in
Hero: folds
drugHabit: calls 860 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5d 8h 6h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [5d 8h 6h Qc] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
drugHabit: shows [7h 2h] (a pair of Sixes)
dominos1: shows [4c 7c] (a straight, Four to Eight)
Spectrum359: shows [8s As] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
dominos1 collected 5160 from pot

My 500 flop bet was misclick...I meant to bet around 400...
but thats not important. What is drig habit thinking? And dominos? And can Spectrum really think that his TPTK is
any good after this kind of action?

I don't understand the thinking here, and I don't know how
to counteract it.
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Hand 2....Final hand (for me)
NB. This is NOT a bad beat post.

PokerStars Game #2174882894: Tournament #10403283, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/07/24 - 08:45:47 (ET)
Table '10403283 8' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: gambler381 (820 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (950 in chips)
Seat 3: tricktree12 (2990 in chips)
Seat 4: bridgemaniac (2010 in chips)
Seat 5: LargeLars (1945 in chips)
Seat 6: DarkWan (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: dominos1 (4735 in chips)
Seat 8: firewall82 (2990 in chips)
Seat 9: bluffsniffer (1030 in chips)
gambler381: posts small blind 50
Hero: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac Kc]
tricktree12: calls 100
bridgemaniac: calls 100
LargeLars: calls 100
DarkWan: folds
dominos1: folds
firewall82: folds
bluffsniffer: folds
gambler381: calls 50
Hero: raises 850 to 950 and is all-in
tricktree12: folds
bridgemaniac: raises 1060 to 2010 and is all-in
LargeLars: folds
gambler381: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8d 2c]
*** TURN *** [Qs 8d 2c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 8d 2c 7d] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Ac Kc] (high card Ace)
bridgemaniac: shows [Qc 9c] (a pair of Queens)
bridgemaniac collected 2200 from pot

In this hand I have almost 10BB, and there are 4 limpers to
me in the BB, so if I have garbage, I'll just check and see
a free flop. Why would I go all in unless I have a real hand?
I just don't understand bridgemaniacs isolation play in this
case. There is just no chance that the BB would be raising
allin with a hand that does not beat Q9s.

What is going on in these peoples minds?

Thanks,
Jonathan

[Chief911]

Hand 2 does not need analysis. Its a bad beat post.

Hand 1:

1. This is a FPP tournament. Many people who enter want to double up immediately or go home.
2. Your raise is so small in relation to the fact that you had one raiser, and two callers, that atleast two of them are going to call. If I have someone raising to 40, and two cold callers, I'm probably popping it up to atleast 200. You wanna get HU with someone. Not see a 4 way pot with KK.
3. I'm not sure that I believe the 500 is a misclick. Either way, if you are going to bet that little preflop, you have to get away from it with that action.

Bump it up more preflop, and appreciate the action, regardless of whether or not someone sucks out on you.

Nick

[Jonathan]

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Hand 2 does not need analysis. Its a bad beat post.


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Not true, Nick. Do you think his call was good one? Why
did he call?

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3. I'm not sure that I believe the 500 is a misclick. Either way, if you are going to bet that little preflop, you have to get away from it with that action.



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I don't understand what you are saying here. I agree with
you that my preflop raise was too light, and that something
on the order of 200 would have been better. But postflop,
are you saying that I should not bet it at all? Or that I
should bet more or less? I think my fold after the action
is clearcut.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[betgo]

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Not true, Nick. Do you think his call was good one? Why did he call?

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Yeh it was a great play to call a big allin with Q9o. He called because he is a fish and can't fold. AKo is a little less than a 2-1 favorite over Q9o. It was a terrible call, but he will win sometimes.

I was playing in a $50 tournament last night. With blinds 100/200, I open raise allin 2200 from early position with AKo. I got called by JTo. I have no idea why he called. One reason I pushed was I was hoping some fish would call. I doubled up and wound up finishing 14th. I suppose if he won the hand I could get real upset.

If you play in $100 tournaments, you will see less of this stuff, but I think 500 FPP tournaments are easier to beat.

[SoBeDude]

the dude didn't call with Q9o, he reraised allin!

amazing, but yes, this is the level of play in 'freerolls'.

-Scott

[tiger7210]

the players in the 500 FPP sats are absolutely horrid which is why i love to play them. If you're trying to understand there horrible play you will lose your mind. You were just unlucky in both hands, move on and take their money next time.

[tom441lbk]

he isn't posting bad beats, or complaining, he is just trying to understand why these guys are morons, and someone else summed it up great:

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the players in the 500 FPP sats are absolutely horrid which is why i love to play them. If you're trying to understand there horrible play you will lose your mind. You were just unlucky in both hands, move on and take their money next time.

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its pretty much a crapshoot

[Damian UK]

I guess you already know the answer - basically they are muppets who like to gamble with any two cards [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] - not good for you, and I don't think you could do much else really, especially AK, you want Q9 to call, he has to hit, u don't, unfortunately he did.

Just keep playing, you will win more in the long run

Cheers

Damian

[betgo]

Don't complain about bad beats from fish. You will come out ahead in the long run.

In the first hand, you have a miniraise to 40 and 2 callers. You reraise to 100 with KK. I know you want action and that's what you got. However, I would reraise to 150-200, particularly with a loose table.

Obviously, you didn't get a good flop. It would be worse if the connecting cards were higher. Good laydown on the flop.

[Jonathan]

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In the first hand, you have a miniraise to 40 and 2 callers. You reraise to 100 with KK. I know you want action and that's what you got. However, I would reraise to 150-200, particularly with a loose table.


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Actually, no, I don't want too much action. I agree with you
and Nick, that I should have reraised to the 200 range.

Suerte,
Jonathan