Review: Hand 1, Q8o

blackize · #1 07-23-2005, 10:24 PM

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Please focus on the seemingly mundane, routine thing that Hero might be doing wrong (especially in the blinds).

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I think this is a situation where the hero should call with any 2.

He has a reasonable hand, Q8, and is getting 9 to one on a call which closes the action.

thesharpie · #2 07-23-2005, 10:27 PM

I don't. I might call with any suited 2.

You don't want to be playing unsuited junk in a raised pot even if you're getting what seems like a decent price.

Redd · #3 07-23-2005, 10:28 PM

I agree with sharpie. I'd play Q8s here, but not Q8.

Dave G. · #4 07-23-2005, 10:31 PM

Agreed. Unsuited cards have very limited multiway potential, and this is a 3-gapper. This is a very unprofitable hand to play.

Two_Slick · #5 07-24-2005, 08:25 PM

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I agree with sharpie. I'd play Q8s here, but not Q8.

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shadow29 · #6 07-24-2005, 09:16 PM

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I agree with sharpie. I'd play Q8s here, but not Q8.

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Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

blackize · #7 07-23-2005, 10:35 PM

With Q8s I call this even with much much worse odds, but given that hero is getting 9-1 we are getting good pot and implied odds to flop 2 pair or better.

Maybe I am the only one who doesn't put so much weight on the hand being suited, I don't know. All I know is that 9-1 is damn good, and given how poorly most .5/1ers play postflop you will get paid off if you hit 2 pair or better.

SlantNGo · #8 07-23-2005, 10:38 PM

Hands with some connected value, like JT and T9 I would consider here, in addition to suited hands as others mentioned. Q8 is just too crappy of a hand.

Greg J · #9 07-23-2005, 10:43 PM

9:1 is an illusion. If you were going all in this would apply, but this is basically a reverse implied odds thing. Even if the flop hits you this will make you a lot of second best hands you end up calling down.

This is a fold.

shadow29 · #10 07-24-2005, 07:42 PM

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This is a fold.

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I disagree. This hand is very easy to play. (And very easy to find out when you are behind). Q8o is not that bad of a hand. There are tons of bad players already in the pot. Who knows with what MP2 is open raising. I'm not defending my blinds with any two suited, but I am here. We've got a 3 gapper with a high card (that is not easily reverse dominated like if we had a K). Also, I am in great position.