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07-22-2005, 02:54 AM
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A routine fold?
Reads: This table has been one of the most aggressive I've seen at Stars .25/.50. At least as far as preflop is concerned--action seems to slow down postflop, but the table still has maybe three LAGs and a borderline. The first seven hands I saw were raised preflop, but it had quieted down the last orbit or two.
MP2 is that worst kind of player, a tricky fish. He'll often checkraise any street, and will limp premium hands like AA. He has no concept of hand protection, however. I think he's a LPP with aspirations of becoming a LAG--he's been much more aggressive this session than his AF of .71 indicates. MP3 is rather less dynamic, but is still a LAG. He's raised with things as low as K9o. PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (8.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, BB folds, Hero folds... My intention was to checkraise here, both to force out MP2 and because MP3 has flat out folded to a checkraise before. Unfortunately it's bet and raised, and frankly I don't like the prospects of carrying a top pair marginal kicker to the river, especially when I'm not closing the betting and the PFR still thinks he's ahead. If I need to improve, I don't have odds to draw to two pair or a set even if it's not raised behind. Am I right to fold this? 
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#2
07-22-2005, 03:14 AM
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Re: A routine fold?
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Reads: This table has been one of the most aggressive I've seen at Stars .25/.50. At least as far as preflop is concerned--action seems to slow down postflop, but the table still has maybe three LAGs and a borderline. The first seven hands I saw were raised preflop, but it had quieted down the last orbit or two. [/ QUOTE ] These are reasons to fold JTs UTG+1.
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#4
07-22-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: A routine fold?
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Yeah, but if the table's loose enough, which it is, JTs utg is fine. It's not like he's going to get isolated by a raise from UTG+1 or something. [/ QUOTE ] No, I still don't want to pay two bets to see a 4-handed flop with JTs OOP. It's not that strong of a hand. Unless it's 6-7 players to a flop for two bets, I think limping this is a losing proposition.
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#5
07-22-2005, 12:19 PM
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Re: A routine fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah, but if the table's loose enough, which it is, JTs utg is fine. It's not like he's going to get isolated by a raise from UTG+1 or something. [/ QUOTE ] No, I still don't want to pay two bets to see a 4-handed flop with JTs OOP. It's not that strong of a hand. Unless it's 6-7 players to a flop for two bets, I think limping this is a losing proposition. [/ QUOTE ] hmmm...interesting. if i remember, playing suited ten and higher cards is fine even at a tight table. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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#6
07-22-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: A routine fold?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yeah, but if the table's loose enough, which it is, JTs utg is fine. It's not like he's going to get isolated by a raise from UTG+1 or something. [/ QUOTE ] No, I still don't want to pay two bets to see a 4-handed flop with JTs OOP. It's not that strong of a hand. Unless it's 6-7 players to a flop for two bets, I think limping this is a losing proposition. [/ QUOTE ] hmmm...interesting. if i remember, playing suited ten and higher cards is fine. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] For one bet, it's fine. But for two bets, it's not. JTs needs some implied odds to help it along, and implied odds are cut in half when you need to invest twice as much preflop. Even against LAGs who may pay off more than other players, this hand is going to be problematic OOP. Remember that preflop decisions are not just about the two cards in front of you.
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#7
07-22-2005, 06:08 PM
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Re: A routine fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Reads: This table has been one of the most aggressive I've seen at Stars .25/.50. At least as far as preflop is concerned--action seems to slow down postflop, but the table still has maybe three LAGs and a borderline. The first seven hands I saw were raised preflop, but it had quieted down the last orbit or two. [/ QUOTE ] These are reasons to fold JTs UTG+1. [/ QUOTE ] I was going to say that, but doesn't the fact that the table's calmed down recently weigh in here somewhere?
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#9
07-22-2005, 03:48 AM
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Re: A routine fold?
I don't think you have the right position to check-raise. Just bet the flop. When you bet the flop, MP2 might slow down, and MP3 may hate it when you bet into him. As for the reads you gave, why did you decide you were beat?
Stop folding so much. [ QUOTE ] My intention was to checkraise here, both to force out MP2 and because MP3 has flat out folded to a checkraise before. [/ QUOTE ] That means he was bluffing, not that he was able to fold a strong hand he thought was beat. Here MP3 is not going to fold OC's to a checkraise in a raised pot (assuming things went as you planned).
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