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What gives me more EV?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter
CO (t2360) Button (t1745) Hero (t1035) BB (t2115) UTG (t1050) MP1 (t655) MP2 (t1040) Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ... I used to raise to ~300 in this spot, and after collecting some pretty nasty bad beats for not pushing it I started to just shove it. Today I tried the milking approach and it made me wonder what is better in this spot. What is your default move here? |
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Re: What gives me more EV?
Default, I shove it. I guess I can see the reasoning for not shoving, especially with AA and not KK, but meh...
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Re: What gives me more EV?
3xBB pre flop, then auto-push on any flop!
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Re: What gives me more EV?
I shove KK and I milk AA in this spot. There are quite a few spots where he'll call your push on the flop with just top pair, middle pair, and who knows what else that he wouldn't have called the preflop shove with. I think AA is strong enough to allow him to see a cheaper flop, KK I don't want to play any flop with an ace with shallow stacks so I just push it.
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Re: What gives me more EV?
Its real hard to figure out what you got then isnt it?
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Re: What gives me more EV?
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I shove KK and I milk AA in this spot. There are quite a few spots where he'll call your push on the flop with just top pair, middle pair, and who knows what else that he wouldn't have called the preflop shove with. I think AA is strong enough to allow him to see a cheaper flop, KK I don't want to play any flop with an ace with shallow stacks so I just push it. [/ QUOTE ] Why is everyone so worried about a dumb ace on the flop. We have the 2nd best hand preflop, and we'll have the best hand so often on the flop. I play AA-KK to maximize my equity in this spot, not reduce the likelyhood of some crappy bad beat. I'd raise 3x with AA-KK, and sometimes QQ here. |
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Re: What gives me more EV?
When you raise 3xbb out of position with a 10xbb stack aren't you just telling them you've got a big pair? So I just push because it's how I'd play alot of other weaker hands here and I want a call. Is that too fancy for the average villain?
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Re: What gives me more EV?
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When you raise 3xbb out of position with a 10xbb stack aren't you just telling them you've got a big pair? So I just push because it's how I'd play alot of other weaker hands here and I want a call. Is that too fancy for the average villain? [/ QUOTE ] I agree, if I've been pushing a lot, I push with AA here too . This is especially good when I'm starting to get warnings from the other players for pushing too much. But if I haven't been very active, and villain is a donk, I think a 3x raise is fine, and will keep in many hands we have crushed, and will still call a flop push. |
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Re: What gives me more EV?
I think the best argument for pushing is that you'll be consistent with your play. You might be pushing w/ AA or complete crap. The move will be the same.
The question comes down to this: in the long run is the extra chips that you might get by trying to milk them worth the extra risk you have of busting out? I'm gonna run a few numbers and post them here... BRB. |
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Re: What gives me more EV?
Just make normal raise, you will get more action.
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