Should I be happy with 1.5 bb/100 at $5/10 Party game?

dantheman_05 · #1 07-21-2005, 11:13 PM

25k hands so far, vpip 22.. pfr 13..wwsf 40...wtsd 35...w$Sd 48

i know 50k hands is usually at least the standard, but talking from an overall perspective....once i have 50k hands, lets say im still at 1.5 bb/100, should i be content with that, or should i be at 2bb /100 or higher? i play 4 tables and use gametime. i am shooting for 2bb/100, but i dont know how realistic that is. my pfr is so high because i steal the blinds alot, 60%..fold bb to steal 55, vpip from sb 35

DMBFan23 · #2 07-21-2005, 11:24 PM

why would you ever stop working on your game?

dantheman_05 · #3 07-21-2005, 11:32 PM

i wont stop working on my game. i just dont know what a realistic expectation is at that limit. i am kinda beating myself up for not being at 2bb

DMBFan23 · #4 07-21-2005, 11:40 PM

eh, sample size.

plus, if you're not there and you're already winning player, you'll probably get there. be sure to enjoy the ride.

Webster · #5 07-21-2005, 11:42 PM

Satisified - yes - happy - maybe - still room for improvement but I expect 2BB/100 puts you in the top 5% of all players.

2BB/100 is very doable

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LImitPlayer · #6 07-23-2005, 01:35 PM

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2BB/100 puts you in the top 5% of all players.

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2BB/100 is very doable

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You are contradicting yourself

Paxosmotic · #7 07-21-2005, 11:30 PM

You can either go out to 8 tables or up to 2bb/100. I think up to 2bb/100 is better for your long term play. Squeeze an extra .5 out of it, you'll be a MUCH better player for it.

HajiShirazu · #8 07-21-2005, 11:54 PM

I think that's a solid winrate in what most people say is a tight game. At any rate I think moving up, or trying out 6 max play would be more of a benefit to you than trying to squeek out another .5 bb in the 5/10 fulls.

flair1239 · #9 07-22-2005, 02:11 AM

With good table selection I believe that 2-2.5 BB/100 is very attainable for an excellent player. I would guess an expert type might be able to do better.

That said, although there are usually a few excellent games around and several good ones. I think it might be tough to maintain that rate 8-tabling over a long stretch of hands.

I imagine a bunch of people are probably doing it... but again if they can 8-table 5/10 at 2BB/100 over the period of time needed to "prove" the WR with any degree of confidence.... then they are probably costing themselves money.

But to answer your original question. If somebody tells me they aqre maintaining a long term 1.5BB/100 at 5/10. I would make sure that I read their strategy posts and thought about what they wrote. In other words... good job.

goodguy_1 · #10 07-26-2005, 02:48 PM

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With good table selection I believe that 2-2.5 BB/100 is very attainable for an excellent player. I would guess an expert type might be able to do better.

That said, although there are usually a few excellent games around and several good ones. I think it might be tough to maintain that rate 8-tabling over a long stretch of hands.

I imagine a bunch of people are probably doing it... but again if they can 8-table 5/10 at 2BB/100 over the period of time needed to "prove" the WR with any degree of confidence.... then they are probably costing themselves money.

[/ QUOTE ] I doubt there are a "bunch" of players 8-tabling $5-10 Full for more than anything resembling 2.00-2.50 bb/100. Those that are 8 tabling the best have a lower bb/100 or are moving up to $10-20 or $15-30. There are rarely 8 let alone 6 usally only 4 "good" Party $5-10 Full games going on off peak nites. I know I play this game everyday. There are very good games at Paradise and Stars has had some great games of late. I just think the idea that a bunch of guys are 8-tabling the $5-10 Full for those winrates isnt a reality. Now 4-tabling sure 2.00-2.50 is very doable for the best players at $5-10 Full. $5-10 Full is a wasteland for rakeback players..must regualrs play somewhat well..the games are usually tight and too just assume that since you see a 17/9/2.50 that you cant outplay him/her is not a reality. $5-10 full is great because you can make 7-7 1/2cents in rakeback almost 50% more than $3-6 Full abit more than $3-6 6MAX and only a liitle bit less than $5-10 6MAX(ie 7cents vs 8cents).

I was doing 2.25bb/100
for my first 10K than ran horrific broke even over 6K hands and now I'm back at grinding these games. IMHO if you are 4tabling 2.00bb/100 is doable with very good game selection and that means playing other sites specifically PokerStars. 8tabling 1.00-1.50 bb/100 -reads are just too important at $5-10 Full..Most pots are heads-up onnthe turn and you need to tuned into your opponent. ABC does not work at $5-10 8tabling like it does at $3-6 .This is the first limit on the way up to higher games where you need to start paying attention..ABC doesnt cut it.

1.50 bb/100 is commendable multi-tabling but I think if you spread your wings a bit and scan other sites 2.00+ is doable..in other words nice job. I'm right there with you.
I cant wait to move up over $5-10. I think both of us should take shots at "good" $10-20 and $15-30 games many of these games yes have higher variance but offer better action than typical $5-10 game.