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07-21-2005, 08:57 PM
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5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
This hand had some interesting psychological elements to it. Villain in this hand had approximately $2K. I had him covered. We have been playing together for approximately 30 minutes. Villain and I haven't tangled yet, but he seems from the table banter to be a Vegas regular/grind it out pro. He has not gotten out of line yet, and I'm sure that he believes that he is better than me. The only hand that he has seen me take down was a flop semibluff where I made the nut flush on the river.
I make it $50 to go preflop after one limper with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Villain calls in the BB. Limper calls as well. Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Villain checks. Limper checks. I bet $120. Villain calls. Limper folds. Turn ($390) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks. I fire barrel two for $300. Villain looks at me and says to the dealer, "Only $100 of that bet made it past the bet line. I want a ruling on whether the bet was $100 or $300." The dealer looks at me to see if I plan to say anything in response. Given my marginal holding, what is my play here? 
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#2
07-21-2005, 09:09 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
Hah. I'm guessing he wants a cheap flush (or doubtful straight) draw.
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#3
07-21-2005, 09:31 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
Did you say "I bet $300" or just say "bet" and put the chips in? If you only said bet, then his argument is valid. If you said "I bet $300", then $300 is the bet.
If you're asking which one you want, I'd say keep the $300 because he seems uncomfortable with his hand, and wants to see his flush draw cheaply.
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#4
07-21-2005, 09:33 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
I thought about this a little more. I think there is a strong chance he has a marginal hand and is trying to show it down cheap by keeping the pot size small. There is also a remote chance he has a monster and is trying to manipulate you into betting strongly into him on the river.
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#5
07-21-2005, 09:40 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
Oh man...let me guess...
John?? Wears mirrored silver ray bans with slicked back hair and usually wearing a jacket at the table.... FWIW, He probably has QJ or KQ....Id let whatever ruling stand and bluff big at any river thats not a Q, A or 9, especially if he throws out a bet then just come over the top. Hes not calling some BS ruling on you w/ a set or 2 pr. If it is john, he could have AK and just be playing it cautiously but he still would probably fold on the river. -JP
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#7
07-21-2005, 11:12 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
Oy. I have no idea why I'm using my time to answer this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
1) House rules are THE rules. If you don't know the house rules, don't play. 2) Bet lines don't really exist. A bet is done through intention. This is subject to item #1. 3) If you verbally anounce "I'm betting" then you tell the dealer (within reason) when your bet is complete. Otherwise, you can say, "I bet $300", which works fine. Barring that: --- How should you conduct yourself in this situation? Easy. Don't move or say anything. Just sit there and wait for the dealer to continue the action or the floorman to make his decision. If the dealer continues the hand without the floorman present, you should stop the dealer before the turn card is put out and calmly ask, "Do you want to talk to the floorman or can we continue the hand?" You should do this no matter what your hand is. --- Edit: I've seen a dealer try to "take the law into his own hands" and have his decision overturned (after the hand was over) by the floorman. --Dave. re-edit: I don't generally verbalize my bets, either. I also stack them oddly (one stack of 6 rather than 2x3 chips, which apparently isn't correct... I guess I'll try to fix that)
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#9
07-22-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
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dave, mgm does have a yellow line on the tables...fwiw [/ QUOTE ] I was gonna say, I've never even been to Vegas, but I was pretty sure that lines actually do exist, and that it bothers me, for reasons like this.
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#10
07-22-2005, 03:40 PM
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Re: 5-10 NLH at the MGM -- Villain wants a ruling
the reason I said bluff the river is b/c i thought I knew who the player was...He does this kinda stuff all the time...its his form of tilt...to nitpick all the rules.
If it is who I think it was he isnt using the call as some kind of angle to get you to bluff the river and most likely will want a cheap showdown. -JP
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