QQ in CO early in a $33

[AliasMrJones]

Very early in a $33 MTT, started with about 900, down to 850 or so. Blinds 10/20. No reads to speak of on these players yet. Relevant stacks:

BB: 1,160
MP: 1,170
Hero (cutoff): 990

Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Folded to MP who limps, Hero raises to 70, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop is T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

(Pot is 220) Checked to hero who bets 140. BB calls. MP raises all-in for 1,100 more.

To call or not call and why?

[mlagoo]

Sure looks like spades to me. Can't think of any fives that limp/call here preflop.

I call.

[TheTimeIsUp]

I actually limp call here with 53s-58s.

That set aside, I think this is a very easy call. It looks like a flush draw, and it could even remotely by a T. Odds are skinny that he would play a set this fast.

[Isura]

This is tough. You're getting 1.6:1 if BB folds, and better than 2:1 if he calls. BB folding is our best case. I think you're up against 2 spades, AT,KT (with a spade), or some other pair often enough to justify calling. Not very mathematical, but if we do the analysis, I think call will be the answer.

[Potowame]

the BB call worries me more than the push, if any one in is hand is ahead of you it s him. But I still call...

BB could have Ten Ten here or a 5..

MP no way he has Ten Ten , he would not want you to going anywhere. A 5 in his hand is very unlikely.

MP looks more like a flush draw with overs, or a mid pair that is being played strange.


With all this I call and hope that BB folds.... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[kyro]

How often is MP calling a raise with 65, 54, A5 here? A lot less than the times he's making a play with AT, KT, JT, JJ, 99, two spades...i can go on if you want?

So I'd call.

[TheTimeIsUp]

I hope everyone realizes that people do call 1/20th of their stack raises with a hand like 56s to flop this and bust an over pair.

[Potowame]

Yeah I know, and I call them idiots... (just kidding)

But Iam the one that feels like an idiot when the bust me like that [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]..

It just seems more likly that MP would limp in with a 5 after other limpers , and not open limp with this hand. I think is more commen to see a 5 when MP limped after 2 or 3 limpers knowing the implied odds would be there if he hit. Just a thought.

If he has a 5 he lucked out because I am paying him off most of the time.

[ZootMurph]

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How often is MP calling a raise with 65, 54, A5 here? A lot less than the times he's making a play with AT, KT, JT, JJ, 99, two spades...i can go on if you want?

So I'd call.

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Just for the record... EARLY in PP tournaments I'll play 65s and 54s exactly like this preflop... especially in the $33 and lower buyins. It's obvious that our Hero has a big hand. If I can hit a nice enough flop, I can easily take all of his chips. Of course, I'd play postflop a LOT differently. In any case, many Party donks will open limp with just about any two suited cards or any ace, so something like J5s or A5o are clear possibilities. Worse, many of these same donks will check/raise allin in these lower buyin tournaments with the trips. AT is a strong possibility as well.

Unfortunately, I don't see how you can fold QQ here. I call, but quite honestly I HATE doing it.

[locutus2002]

Hero calls.

I can't see MP limping and not reraising against two players with a big pair so I think AA-KK is out of the question. TT or a 5 and they would raise less looking for a call. That leaves AT, JJ and flush draws with the ace.

BB has to have something to call the initial flop bet, but it doesn't have to be the nuts, I think he has to raise with the 5 for fear of the spade. I think a T is likely, wanting to keep the pot small.