god i feel stupid now...

[unreal_nh]

22 on party, 2nd hand... was i a complete idiot for laying this down? please reassure me...

***** Hand History for Game 2399828185 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14126819 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 21, 14:22:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 14003 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: eddo776 ( $785 )
Seat 5: Drewhafire ( $860 )
Seat 10: phishraper ( $785 )
Seat 4: hero ( $800 )
Seat 2: jim3rn ( $740 )
Seat 9: ngvath ( $800 )
Seat 6: CALCAN2 ( $890 )
Seat 7: sabre31_98 ( $800 )
Seat 1: who73296 ( $755 )
Seat 8: tariq111 ( $785 )
Trny:14126819 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Jh 3d ]
Drewhafire folds.
CALCAN2 folds.
sabre31_98 calls [15].
tariq111 calls [15].
ngvath folds.
phishraper folds.
who73296 folds.
jim3rn folds.
eddo776 calls [5].
hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 9c, Jc ]
eddo776 checks.
hero bets [50].
sabre31_98 calls [50].
tariq111 raises [200].
eddo776 folds.
>You have options at Table 14105 Table!.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
hero folds.
sabre31_98 calls [150].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
sabre31_98 checks.
tariq111 bets [150].
sabre31_98 raises [300].
>You have options at Table 14517 Table!.
tariq111 calls [150].
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
sabre31_98 is all-In [285]
tariq111 is all-In [270]
sabre31_98 shows [ Qs, Ts ] three of a kind, jacks.
tariq111 shows [ Ac, 9s ] a full house, Jacks full of nines.
sabre31_98 wins 15 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
tariq111 wins 1650 chips from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of nines.

[durron597]

Why the hell would you fold this in a 20+2??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[tigerite]

In my opinion yes, but I can kind of understand why you did it.

[trdi]

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[me1tdown]

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In my opinion yes, but I can kind of understand why you did it.

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Took me a few minutes ( well, a lot more time than that really ) to catch up with you...
Are you looking at this and thinking the other Jack is in play with the naturally better kicker? I'm actually kind of in awe that you can multi-table, see top set on the flop, and process the weakness of your kicker at the same time. Really, sincerely, honestly, and without sarcasm of any kind -- it took me minutes to even follow your thinking. For me, I guess there are some advantages for having a pavlovian response to flopping a set -- I couldn't help but push here every time.

[trdi]

Look, if he had some read on the opponents, than ok. But without the read you can't fold that. It's a long term -EV, don't you agree? You will fold it correctly once in [too many] cases to make it profitable.

[ReDeYES88]

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Took me a few minutes ( well, a lot more time than that really ) to catch up with you...
Are you looking at this and thinking the other Jack is in play with the naturally better kicker? I'm actually kind of in awe that you can multi-table, see top set on the flop, and process the weakness of your kicker at the same time. Really, sincerely, honestly, and without sarcasm of any kind -- it took me minutes to even follow your thinking. For me, I guess there are some advantages for having a pavlovian response to flopping a set -- I couldn't help but push here every time.

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actually, there is no need to process the strength of your kicker when the flop comes . . ..IF in fact you looked at it the second before clicking "call" preflop.

I find it very helpful when getting to see flops cheap with junk hands from the SB or BB to tell myself what the flop needs to be for me to play further BEFORE the flop even comes. This includes analyzing the strength of potential kickers. There are a very limited number of flops I am willing to play when starting with J3o. Then, when the flop comes, I can pause for a second and remind myself of my preflop standards (and not go chasing a mediocre top pair flop or something similar that looks kinda sexy).

I'm curious about your intentions with your flop lead of t50. Were you trying to get them to fold? Were you trying to build a pot? I gotta tell ya, if you were willing to muck to a reraise to t200 after flopping trips, then just save your t50 chips next time and open check.

No, you aren't ahead here 100% of the time, especially after a few limpers preflop . . .BUT . . you are ahead a majority of the time.

[tigerite]

Because he was frightened of a higher jack, 3 kicker is rather crap. But I said yes I think it was wrong, and I never fold here.

[ChuckyB]

The thing is, his three will never come into play as the kicker. On the flop he's got JJJ93...but the turn and river will be higher than 3 (and if not...woo hoo! Jacks full of twos!).

I can't imagine folding this on the flop...at least not at the level I play at. It's playing too scared to be worried about the case jack.

[AliasMrJones]

First off, don't show the results. When you show the case J hitting it will color people's response. Just pot the history to the spot where you make the play you want comments on.

Now, as to the play...

I understand why you layed down, but I think you're going to be shown a draw or a single 9 here a big chunk of the time. I'm not laying this down and am usually pushing when he raises me.