Yet another AA hand for review

[djoyce003]

Both villains in this hand are about 60/8. with around average post flop aggression. I wake up with AA in the BB and luckily find it's been raised before it gets to me. Please critique my play preflop, on the flop and turn, and let me know if any of you play this differently.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($67.15)
SB ($142.50)
Hero ($102.10)
UTG ($39.80)
MP ($80.45)
CO ($153.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, MP calls $12, CO folds, Button calls $10, SB folds.

Flop: ($39) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, MP calls $30, Button calls $30.

Turn: ($129) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero calls $60.10 (All-In), MP folds, Button calls $25.15 (All-In).

River: ($214.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $214.25

[kingofswing]

Looks fine. Your preflop reraise was so large it forced the money in on the turn, and it you got outflopped or anything, that's bad luck. That's a huge reraise and I sort of question how often that gets called. Here you got lucky and got two people to come along, but in general I would think about 6-8 would be plenty. But if people will call it, then keep doing it.

[flopking]

your preflop raise indicates AA/KK, so obviously people are drawing uphill...

the button's small raise preflop could mean a medium pair JJ - 77 or med suited connectors, JT, 98 etc.. which looking at the board at showdown, appears bad for you. when you came over the top preflop and got action from MP, prolly decent odds for the button to call with any drawing hand...

[AaronO]

The only thing I don't like is the pot sized bet on the flop. I would think a bet of $15-$20 would suffice. It would help better see where you are in the hand, and may let you get away from the hand on the turn if you felt you were beat. It looks like a way behind/way ahead situation, and the cold call of $30 is just frightening. Looks like button has a set of jacks.

[djoyce003]

Anyone think the smaller bet is a good idea? That's a relatively draw heavy board, and I think I have to be worried really only about j 10, or KQ on this flop. I don't think the button has JJ. Anyone with JJ would have raised more with limpers to try to get it heads up rather than make a nuisance raise. My thinking was i'm either up against 2 pair, and i have outs to improve, or my opponents are drawing and hoping to hit their draw which I need to charge them for.

[AaronO]

Djoyce-

I see your point, but I guess I disagree that it is a draw heavy board. I find it hard to believe that button calls your raise with with K-Q or Q-9 (SB has not called yet, so he really has no pot odds). Even if he has K-Q you are still charging just about right with a $15-$20 flop bet without committing yourself if a scary card comes on the turn.

My other thought was that he could have KK and min raised looking for action. That is why I was thinking way ahead/way behind.

If he flat called the raise with J-10, then that just sucks!

I'm assuming it did not turn out well for you??

[Sephus]

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The only thing I don't like is the pot sized bet on the flop. I would think a bet of $15-$20 would suffice. It would help better see where you are in the hand, and may let you get away from the hand on the turn if you felt you were beat. It looks like a way behind/way ahead situation, and the cold call of $30 is just frightening. Looks like button has a set of jacks.

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both villains are fish. hero is not even close to deep enough to be afraid of pot committal in this hand. IMO betting $15 on the flop is disastrous.

[AaronO]

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IMO betting $15 on the flop is disastrous.

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Why? Not trying to be a smartass, just interested in your thoughts?

[Sephus]

because you let them see the turn without tying them to the pot. you don't want them to hit on the turn or want to fold it if a scare card (for them) comes. fish aren't planning ahead like "oh, if i call $30 i'm going to want to call anything on the turn because the pot will be big so i better fold if i dont want to go allin" they're thinking "i have something, i need to call."

and notice that MP called the flop, and folded the turn? classic "i flopped a pair in a raised pot, oops it's not good i have to fold the turn" move. another reason to bet bigger on the flop. until you bet the turn they're always putting you on AK.

[AaronO]

Good points. I appreciate the response.