Anyone ever been berated for agressive play?

[Swax]

This happened a while back but I just thought of it again recently.

I was playing at the Hollywood Park $2/$4 fish market, and was playing quite LAG-ish, as I would be inclined to do in any eight-to-a-flop game. As I assume live $2/$4 is apt to be, the game was filled who WOULD NOT bet out or raise unless they had completely made their hand. I was one of three people raising preflop, and the only one doing it w/o aces or kings. I was capping flops with things like middle pair and nut flush draw (together I mean), considering there was four or five calling it.

Well, at first I guess people thought that I was stupid or crazy, as they were saying things like "I know you don't have a hand" and "you're gonna go broke betting like that." I would generally just shrug my shoulders and smile, maybe give a "we'll see" or whatever. Normally I figured these people wouldn't be sharp enough to pick up on betting patterns, but I stood out so obviously.

Anyway, everything was cool for about 2 hours, the passing comments continued, etc. etc...then I went on a three-hand run where I hit a set, an OESD, and a flush draw, building huge pots for all three and was all of a sudden up like $250. Now, anyone skilled would know that I just played sound poker and built pots with draws that happened to hit. Well, the HP massive didn't seem to take to it.

Next thing I know I'm getting LOTS of looks - one guy calls his boy over from another table and is like "I was winning but this MF'er who doesn't know what he's doing keeps getting lucky, raising when he doesn't have SH*T", and so on and so forth. I noticed some glares heading my way as well. Then about 3 hands later it got worse - I check raised holding QJs on a 10-9-2 rainbow flop. One guy at the table is like "man I KNOW you ain't got nothing - who do you think you're fooling?" and reraised me. I put him on a set, and promptly folded when the turn paired the deuce on the board. sure enough, fishies called him down and my read was correct as he showed 99. He wasn't done running his mouth though, he was saying things like "you're not gonna get lucky against me playing like some dumb ass - stop trying that at this table cause you're going to get caught." Not wanting the table to turn into a dick-measuring contest, I decided to try and explain that I play that way because if I get my card the pot is built up. Another woman whose VPIP may have been 100 chimes in with "look I know any two cards can hit, but betting with nothing is plain stupid."

I was ready to leave anyway, so at that point, rather than have the table ganging up on me with hostility, I decided I should get outta there. On my way out, I got a nice "learn how to play before you come back" - even though I left up $200!!

I mean, I've played in games where fish don't understand or question my style of play, but never one where they berate it. Weird.

This kinda thing ever happened to anyone? Where aggro play made you the enemy?

[juanez]

You're always going to be the "enemy" when you're taking your opponents money. Sounds like you're frustrating them and putting some folks on tilt by playing aggressively - good job. Shrug off the comments and be classy. Don't fire back with smart ass comments yourself. You're taking their money after all, so who gets the last laugh?

[CaptSensible]

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You're always going to be the "enemy" when you're taking your opponents money. Sounds like you're frustrating them and putting some folks on tilt by playing aggressively - good job. Shrug off the comments and be classy. Don't fire back with smart ass comments yourself. You're taking their money after all, so who gets the last laugh?

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what he said. be classy (it sounds like you were) and shrug off their comments. people who lose aren't happy people [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[eh923]

When people start getting personal, I don't see a problem with firing back insults or making snide comments about how someone else's chips look so much nicer in front of me. Our hero however started talking about how sound his play was from a strategy perspective. That is a BIG no-no, and I'm surprised nobody else pointed it out.

[Swax]

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When people start getting personal, I don't see a problem with firing back insults or making snide comments about how someone else's chips look so much nicer in front of me. Our hero however started talking about how sound his play was from a strategy perspective. That is a BIG no-no, and I'm surprised nobody else pointed it out.

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Yeah, it is a big no-no, and generally yes, I would shrug it off or say something seemingly amateurish or cryptic. I think it was a moment of weakness as I was feeling a little bit uncomfortable and just wanted to try and calm some people down. I didn't get into extensive strategy discussions, but I agree that I shouldn't do this.

[goofball]

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When people start getting personal, I don't see a problem with firing back insults or making snide comments about how someone else's chips look so much nicer in front of me. Our hero however started talking about how sound his play was from a strategy perspective. That is a BIG no-no, and I'm surprised nobody else pointed it out.

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Yeah, it is a big no-no, and generally yes, I would shrug it off or say something seemingly amateurish or cryptic. I think it was a moment of weakness as I was feeling a little bit uncomfortable and just wanted to try and calm some people down. I didn't get into extensive strategy discussions, but I agree that I shouldn't do this.

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Sometimes you just know. I once raised with AQ on a Q73 flop and folded to a 3bet in a 2/4 game. Sometimes the playes there are that readable.

[Trainwreck]

LOL!

2/4 players who are grumpy since you hit reasonable draws?

That's funny, it's hard to beat 2/4 though consistently with the rake, I smell jealously and table on TILT.

2/4 made me grumpy, never again!

Oh and NO I have never had a table get on my case about my play.

I drove a table in a tournament once crazy though, but I was hitting everything including cracking someone with my AQ when they held AK.

>TW<

[MicroBob]

Some old-fogey regulars just like their regular weak-passive type game and expect that everyone else wants to play that way because it's supposedly 'correct' in their universe.

You seem to have REALLY found some nasty folk though.
No matter whether you are playing well or like a complete donk it is simply rude and stupid to say 'learn to play before you come back.'
Interesting experience.


I've had some stuff like that happen online though. "Why do you keep raising before the flop like that? You don't even know what cards are going to come yet."
"Thanks for raising and re-raising with just a flush-draw idiot." (6-way pot and I was drawing to the nuts).
Stuff like that.
Also (just before they would leave) "Sorry guys....but Bob is just ruining the game with all his stupid raising. Hope you're proud of yourself for playing like an idiot Bob!"

Also have heard the comment along the lines of "why don't you just play a higher limit if you want that much action."
implying that by always raising on a 5/10 table that I am really just a 10/20 type player who is 'playing down a level' just for kicks perhaps.


Live play...I sat at a 1-5 7-card stud game while waiting for a hold-em seat.
One lady was all over me EVERY time I raised (and I was one of the few who would do that) because she wanted to 'play as many hands as possible because of the bad-beat jackpot but she isn't able to when it's always raised like that.'
"You're here to play for the jackpot too right?"
She was totally jackpot obsessed and was REALLY getting mad that I kept raising future hands after that.
I just pretended like I didn't hear her (even though it was obviously impossible not to).
Everyone else seemed to be playing the jackpot-way that she wanted them to interestingly enough.

[TiK]

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Live play...I sat at a 1-5 7-card stud game while waiting for a hold-em seat.
One lady was all over me EVERY time I raised (and I was one of the few who would do that) because she wanted to 'play as many hands as possible because of the bad-beat jackpot but she isn't able to when it's always raised like that.'
"You're here to play for the jackpot too right?"
She was totally jackpot obsessed and was REALLY getting mad that I kept raising future hands after that.
I just pretended like I didn't hear her (even though it was obviously impossible not to).
Everyone else seemed to be playing the jackpot-way that she wanted them to interestingly enough.

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This sounds very familiar. This wouldn't happen to be at Harrahs in New Orleans, would it? They're really jackpot obsessed down there. I had the same thing happen to me at the 1-5 stud while waiting for a hold'em seat...all the septuagenarians and their jackpot hopes.

[cadillac1234]

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they're really jackpot obsessed down there. I had the same thing happen to me at the 1-5 stud while waiting for a hold'em seat...all the septuagenarians and their jackpot hopes.

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If you really want to pi$$ them off, actually hit the jackpot against another tourist. I've done this twice in Reno over the past 15 years. All that extra rake they put in over the last couple of months just frickin' kills them...